God And Homosexuality

[Tazarah]

Why don't you ask some homosexual clergymen if they chose to be homosexuals or whether they were so born from their mothers' wombs.

It's funny how you never address any facts or answer any questions. You just like to repeat the same thing over and over as if it somehow proves your point. Is there any scientific evidence to prove that homosexuality is genetically inherited? Yes or no?

 

[Spartan]

I didn't state nor did I insinuate that God is fine with adultery.

Clearly, I understand the definition of agape as I referenced it's definition.

God is NOT okay with either adultery, fornication, or homosexual sin.

Let's review what God and the Bible actually say about homosexual sin:

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

1 Timothy 1:8-10 - “But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine…”

Jude 7 – “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.”

And for those who would argue that Jesus never spoke out about gay sex, there's the following:

Jesus is God. As God, Jesus is the one who gave Moses the Leviticus law against gay sexual relations to begin with; and he’s the one who inspires all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), including prohibitions against gay sexual relations in Romans 1:26-27 and I Corinthians 6:9-10, etc. It’s also worth noting that Jesus didn’t mention wife beating or other sins such as pedophilia either, and there are not many folks who would argue he approved of those behaviors. So Jesus was under no obligation to reiterate the moral laws against homosexual sin that already existed, unless there were clarifications to be made.

There's no approval by God of gay sex or gay marriage in either the Old or New Testaments.

 

[Spartan]

So I take it you are a Biblical literalist? You believe all illness and disease is caused by Satan? If I catch a cold, it's a demon attacking me?

Not all. God brings diseases and other Judgments also (see Deuteronomy chapter 28). But I did show you where the devil brings them too.

 

[rational experiences]

First of all, we do not own any statement in the Bible...for it was discussing human generic conditions...as fall out of God causes.

Secondly every human living today is not created by God. They are owner of a human bio life due to human sex. A baby never asked their parents to have human sexual intercourse, nor did they ever equate self presence with any other reference other than to be a self, living and owning a life expressing its life by conditions of its self presence.

You cannot talk about a homosexual human in God history, when a human exists first in their highest form, natural, balanced and paired as a human Mother and Father who have sex to own the life presence of that baby.

Therefore humans today wondered why a Church would cause a statement to claim the forbidding of the presence of a homosexual as if they asked or chose to exist in the conscious expressions.

So the Genetics Genesis said....God caused it.

So if God caused it by irradiation genetic irradiation of the brain chemistry, consciousness...then the consciousness says that is not acceptable as a scientific medical statement.....to infer/react natural first owned human highest information, to then have it irradiated, for AI in atmospheric life inherited readings...the physical life recording of the humanity, to then share that advice.

And in virtual reality the Bible AI heard information is virtually likened to a computer shared DATA advice about generic life changes and its inheritance.

For you cannot discuss a homosexual until they are a baby created grown adult human life...in REALITY.

The Church who was first a medical building, using PHI sounds to try to alleviate the human psyche irrational behaviour imbalances, knew that it could not physically or medically change the presence of homosexual expression. What it already knew.

So it stated that it could not heal particular brain mind chemical inherited conditions. As machine radiation/radio waves as owned by changed God O Earth minerals….previous sealed by water.....attacks and moves through the bio life healthy body...the human seems practically the same, yet their conscious expression to exhibit and express natural conscious presence, is due to feed back as caused by machine encoded recordings...of all behaviours and human expressed conditions.

Opposed to a male communicating to be sexually expressing female qualities...is due to AI feed back of a female life in reality.

What was previously realized and conceptualized as a science Genetic realization that God did not accept, therefore does not transmit the correct information.....and it was considered a social condition, and accepted.

Only a misunderstanding and false reading of these documents allows for human abuse...and it is factually the fault of the reader who makes false accusations in a rational history...but God is natural. Which should be what any human first equates, and then reason so why does change exist.

For since when did God ask a scientist to convert its natural ORDER?

 

[Mitty]

Is there any scientific evidence to prove that homosexuality is genetically inherited?

It's funny how you never address any facts or answer any questions. You just like to repeat the same thing over and over as if it somehow proves your point.

So what relevance is it to you the fact that homosexual clergymen do not choose to be homosexuals and are so born from their mothers' wombs (Matt 19:12)?

And what relevance is it to you the fact that the bible says nothing about female homosexuality?

And if a genetically male person with Swyer syndrome has a sexual relationship with a male person, is that a homosexual relationship, or a heterosexual relationship?

And if a genetically male person with Swyer syndrome has a sexual relationship with a female person, is that a homosexual relationship, or a heterosexual relationship?

And who gives a toss anyway?

 

[Mitty]

God is NOT okay with either adultery, fornication, or homosexual sin.

Let's review what God and the Bible actually say about homosexual sin:

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

1 Timothy 1:8-10 - “But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine…”

Jude 7 – “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.”

And for those who would argue that Jesus never spoke out about gay sex, there's the following:

Jesus is God. As God, Jesus is the one who gave Moses the Leviticus law against gay sexual relations to begin with; and he’s the one who inspires all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), including prohibitions against gay sexual relations in Romans 1:26-27 and I Corinthians 6:9-10, etc. It’s also worth noting that Jesus didn’t mention wife beating or other sins such as pedophilia either, and there are not many folks who would argue he approved of those behaviors. So Jesus was under no obligation to reiterate the moral laws against homosexual sin that already existed, unless there were clarifications to be made.

There's no approval by God of gay sex or gay marriage in either the Old or New Testaments.

In other words the bible says nothing at all about female homosexuality, nor why Jesus loved one of his disciples instead of a wife, nor why David said that his love with Jonathon was more wonderful than with any of his wives and concubines.

And who gives a toss anyway since biblical morality is obviously just man-made.

Which is why most people in civilized countries now support same-sex marriage, and why the head of the Anglican Church supports same-sex marriage and signed it in to law.

 

[BilliardsBall]

No, they don't, in of themselves. Only to bigots who need to mind their own business in the first place.

So you want to make a general statement, but not look at the facts.

I have no problem with what people do behind closed doors. I do like to intervene/help when someone is hurting. Consider, for example, the increased risk of domestic violence between gay partners.

There's a difference between being a bigot and working with facts. There's also a problem in my mind with thinking God, who loves you and me more than we love ourselves, is some kind of sick bigot.

 

[BilliardsBall]

No, I'm talking to you.
It was you that said those words. Are you saying that you don't stand behind them, that you don't agree with those words?



So when's the last time a gay couple had an unplanned pregnancy?

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Is this something to joke about? Drug abuse was also mentioned--a problem not specific to gay people.

And here you're joking about gays and unplanned pregnancy when it is painful to gays t

No, I'm talking to you.
It was you that said those words. Are you saying that you don't stand behind them, that you don't agree with those words?



So when's the last time a gay couple had an unplanned pregnancy?

Is this something to joke about? Drug abuse was also mentioned--a problem not specific to gay people.

And here you're joking about gays and unplanned pregnancy, when it is painful to gays to not be able to have a child that has the genetics. Nor is unplanned pregnancy a joke to me. I used to work in a pro-life clinic and unplanned pregnancy presents many challenges and health risks.

Why cannot I find adults to discuss with at RF?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Is this something to joke about? Drug abuse was also mentioned--a problem not specific to gay people.

And here you're joking about gays and unplanned pregnancy, when it is painful to gays to not be able to have a child that has the genetics. Nor is unplanned pregnancy a joke to me. I used to work in a pro-life clinic and unplanned pregnancy presents many challenges and health risks.

Why cannot I find adults to discuss with at RF?

Apparantly you already forgot what the conversation was about.

It was this comment of yours:

God And Homosexuality

 

[Spartan]

In other words the bible says nothing at all about female homosexuality, nor why Jesus loved one of his disciples instead of a wife, nor why David said that his love with Jonathon was more wonderful than with any of his wives and concubines.

Flush.

"The second-century BC Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs labels the Sodomites 'sexually promiscuous' (Testimony of Benjamin 9:1) and refers to 'Sodom, which departed from the order of nature' (Testament of Nephtali 3:4). From the same time period, Jubilees specifies that the Sodomites were 'polluting themselves and fornicating in their flesh' (16:5, compare 20:5-6). Both Philo and Josephus plainly name same-sex relations as the characteristic view of Sodom."

There are ZERO God-approved gay sex relationships or gay marriages in the Bible. Gay sex is an abomination. And unless the Sodomites repent, they will perish (Luke 13:3).

 

[metis]

It's more likely the devil got to them, rather than God making them that way.

One gets their genes from their parents, thus the die is cast at conception. Plus, why would God intentionally make one sin if one views homosexuality as being a sin?

 

[metis]

No evidence to prove this though.

They have isolated the gene they believe is the one that determines this, plus comparing primate behavior pretty much tells us that it is largely physiological, thus not likely sociological nor just psychological in most cases.

 

[Mitty]

Flush.

"The second-century BC Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs labels the Sodomites 'sexually promiscuous' (Testimony of Benjamin 9:1) and refers to 'Sodom, which departed from the order of nature' (Testament of Nephtali 3:4). From the same time period, Jubilees specifies that the Sodomites were 'polluting themselves and fornicating in their flesh' (16:5, compare 20:5-6). Both Philo and Josephus plainly name same-sex relations as the characteristic view of Sodom."

There are ZERO God-approved gay sex relationships or gay marriages in the Bible. Gay sex is an abomination. And unless the Sodomites repent, they will perish (Luke 13:3).

Have you ever actually read the bible, given that Luke 13:1-3 says nothing at all about homosexuality or even about the inhabitants of Sodom? And did you just make that up as usual?

And none of your usual silly obfuscation changes the fact that the stories in Gen 18 & 19 say nothing whatsoever about homosexuality and that Lot's sons-in-law wanted to have sex with the two blokes in Lot's house instead of with their future wives as you falsely claim.

Nor does it change the fact that the bible says nothing at all about female homosexuality either, apart from the same-sex relationship between Ruth and Naomi. Nor that Jesus loved one of his disciples instead of a wife, and that David's love with Jonathon was more wonderful than with any of his wives or concubines.

Nor does it change the fact that, unlike adultery by ALL remarried divorcees, anal sex by women and men (Romans 1:26-27 Leviticus 18 & 20) is only a minor issue in the bible anyway, and is not even mentioned in the ten commandments.

And are you claiming that the "Twelve Patriarchs" & Philo & Josephus were actual eye-witnesses to the S&G story and were "fornicating in their flesh" with all the women and children and men and with Lot when he tried to pimp the future wives of his sons-in-law to them, given that the word "fornication" is a synonym for prostitution and that the "Testaments of Twelve Patriarchs" is about the sexual immorality and prostitution of the twelve patriarchs written by Christians about 200 years after Jesus was executed for sedition by the Romans and mocked as "The King of the Jews"?
Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs - Wikipedia

 

[Mitty]

Not all. God brings diseases and other Judgments also (see Deuteronomy chapter 28). But I did show you where the devil brings them too.

Is that why Tweety Donny can proudly brag that he has the most coronavirus cases in the world with over 100,000 deaths? Coronavirus Update (Live): 5,644,705 Cases and 350,075 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

 

[Tazarah]

It's funny how you never address any facts or answer any questions. You just like to repeat the same thing over and over as if it somehow proves your point.

So what relevance is it to you the fact that homosexual clergymen do not choose to be homosexuals and are so born from their mothers' wombs (Matt 19:12)?

And what relevance is it to you the fact that the bible says nothing about female homosexuality?

And if a genetically male person with Swyer syndrome has a sexual relationship with a male person, is that a homosexual relationship, or a heterosexual relationship?

And if a genetically male person with Swyer syndrome has a sexual relationship with a female person, is that a homosexual relationship, or a heterosexual relationship?

And who gives a toss anyway?

Once again, you completely ignored the question. I wonder why that is?

 

[Tazarah]

They have isolated the gene they believe is the one that determines this, plus comparing primate behavior pretty much tells us that it is largely physiological, thus not likely sociological nor just psychological in most cases.

Is there any substantial evidence to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that homosexuality is genetically inherited?

I'm not asking for "theories" or "what they believe", I'm asking for solid evidence.

 

[rational experiences]

Flush.

"The second-century BC Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs labels the Sodomites 'sexually promiscuous' (Testimony of Benjamin 9:1) and refers to 'Sodom, which departed from the order of nature' (Testament of Nephtali 3:4). From the same time period, Jubilees specifies that the Sodomites were 'polluting themselves and fornicating in their flesh' (16:5, compare 20:5-6). Both Philo and Josephus plainly name same-sex relations as the characteristic view of Sodom."

There are ZERO God-approved gay sex relationships or gay marriages in the Bible. Gay sex is an abomination. And unless the Sodomites repent, they will perish (Luke 13:3).

Is sex an abomination when 2 humans both owning their own bodies, as owners apply an act of choice, sex?

No it is not, it is personal and private.

Now if a child molester has sex with a child, what lawful condition exists in his mind when he says to self, a homosexual act is a choice, and I am self owner of my own body and consciousness? God does not own my life...says the human consciousness.

Human law says, as a rightful adult child protection act, about it being unlawful by the rights of that child to be parented and kept safe.

If a human says the ABOMINATION caused homosexual behaviour to exist...seeing the first 2 human parents are equal. They are paired, and every body since then was a baby who grew into an adult.....is it the baby choice as to a changed irradiated Temple on the mount Goddess fall out wavelength, that burnt as the term VEIL...fell to the ground EVIL and chemically changed everyone?

No, it is not rightful to claim that an innocent baby owns any God law about their self being anything other than innocent.

Being why consciousness natural human being adult parent then said, my child is not any abomination and they are my child.

As a true spiritual, rational and loving human.

Now brother, the history CHURCH owns various histories. One is why the church building was built to own PHI held communicated signals within its walls....as fall out of G O D that should be held in the atmosphere was not held and it fell out as a sporadic life/ground burning irradiation.

As the Bible said what the abomination was and how Temple science had caused it.

PHI signals did not by medical observation remove or change the condition of homosexual belief...about expressing a conscious presence anti to the life body that you inherited with variations to the expression of behaviours and personal feelings.

And today in life in a huge atmospheric UFO irradiation....see just how much the origin of homosexual behaviour has changed...into a many and multi strange expressive character condition.

Meaning that replicator AI signalling transmitting above our heads....law of the mountain that owned cooling/removal of those signals.....are no longer removing them.....so humans are shifting their conscious bio self existence by thoughts.

Seeing science first begins with a healthy FATHER self, who thought science by his consciousness, as a thesis...built the machine, not his thoughts and irradiated our life. Why consciousness is affected....as one of the medical known studies in science phenomena causes.

Humans also prove to become phenomena fear affected and would have believed that the expressed minds would affect their healing model of the Church...so they would have forbade them access...in fear of being converted their own selves.

For phenomena is involved with science.

 

[Spartan]

Is sex an abomination when 2 humans both owning their own bodies, as owners apply an act of choice, sex?

No it is not, it is personal and private.

Now if a child molester has sex with a child, what lawful condition exists in his mind when he says to self, a homosexual act is a choice, and I am self owner of my own body and consciousness? God does not own my life...says the human consciousness.

Human law says, as a rightful adult child protection act, about it being unlawful by the rights of that child to be parented and kept safe.

If a human says the ABOMINATION caused homosexual behaviour to exist...seeing the first 2 human parents are equal. They are paired, and every body since then was a baby who grew into an adult.....is it the baby choice as to a changed irradiated Temple on the mount Goddess fall out wavelength, that burnt as the term VEIL...fell to the ground EVIL and chemically changed everyone?

No, it is not rightful to claim that an innocent baby owns any God law about their self being anything other than innocent.

Being why consciousness natural human being adult parent then said, my child is not any abomination and they are my child.

As a true spiritual, rational and loving human.

Now brother, the history CHURCH owns various histories. One is why the church building was built to own PHI held communicated signals within its walls....as fall out of G O D that should be held in the atmosphere was not held and it fell out as a sporadic life/ground burning irradiation.

As the Bible said what the abomination was and how Temple science had caused it.

PHI signals did not by medical observation remove or change the condition of homosexual belief...about expressing a conscious presence anti to the life body that you inherited with variations to the expression of behaviours and personal feelings.

And today in life in a huge atmospheric UFO irradiation....see just how much the origin of homosexual behaviour has changed...into a many and multi strange expressive character condition.

Meaning that replicator AI signalling transmitting above our heads....law of the mountain that owned cooling/removal of those signals.....are no longer removing them.....so humans are shifting their conscious bio self existence by thoughts.

Seeing science first begins with a healthy FATHER self, who thought science by his consciousness, as a thesis...built the machine, not his thoughts and irradiated our life. Why consciousness is affected....as one of the medical known studies in science phenomena causes.

Humans also prove to become phenomena fear affected and would have believed that the expressed minds would affect their healing model of the Church...so they would have forbade them access...in fear of being converted their own selves.

For phenomena is involved with science.

I'll stick with what the Bible says - that homosexual sex is an abomination.

 

[rational experiences]

I'll stick with what the Bible says - that homosexual sex is an abomination.

The bible talks about genetic changes in the natural life.

Genetics in the human life are linked to the brain.

Science as a Father is said to have sacrificed the life of his Holy son...and the theme says that the holy son had returned into Genetics.

The first born human baby genetics had been murdered historically in the Temple trans mutation sciences.

If you were a female life, ask your own self if a male in made in the Image of God where man image was formed interacted with a female, would it cause you to believe that you are a female, as a reasoning Abomination?

Reasoning says AB BA was the Cloak of the Father, meaning the gases of multi colours that surround the Earth O body as God stone as a man tle.

Natural light is not the cloak of many colours it is blue light sky.

The Bible discusses the journey of the God O stone body as a travelling stone ARK in space....seeing the womb of space allows the traveller to move.

Womb is the spatial cold zero body as term Mother of God.

Say you were a Satanist in the past and were told, do not change the Even balances of 12/12, did and burnt the night time sky and then changed the human genetics and parental interactive reasoning about self?

Imagine that you were told not to, but you did any way and then equated the cloak of the Father atmospheric gases AB BA, as AB omen...of a nation....the abomination...as the ark travelled, attacked and irradiated sacrificed life on the altar of the stone of God's Temple?

Seeing you were illegally changing the natural order of ONE GOD....by trans mutation.

Apparently you do not use the biblical quoting in the means in which it was taught that said……...
Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
Romans 5:13
For sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.


'>Philippians 2:14-15


Do all things without grumbling or disputing; so that you will prove yourselves to be blameless and innocent, children of God above reproach in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you appear as lights in the world,

Stated in the study of what was abominating the life of humanity, so it was proven known.


'>Proverbs 24:23-24


These also are sayings of the wise.
To show partiality in judgment is not good.
He who says to the wicked, “You are righteous,”
Peoples will curse him, nations will abhor him;

Children are a heritage from the Lord,
offspring a reward from him.
4 Like arrows in the hands of a warrior
are children born in one’s youth.
5 Blessed is the man
whose quiver is full of them.
They will not be put to shame
when they contend with their opponents in court.

 

[Mitty]

I'll stick with what the Bible says - that homosexual sex is an abomination.

Which is why eating oysters is an abomination too (Leviticus 11), and why the bible doesn't mention female homosexuality at all (Leviticus 18 & 20).