sandandfoam
Veteran Member
Sorry but that still doesn't say what you think.
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rheff78
I'm your huckleberry.
oik, since we don't want to read. After the apple was eaten God banished them out of the garden and told them they would expereince pain and suffering because they did not obey his command.
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
I find the problem of pain a difficult one. I don't accept that original sin is a debilitating fault that we inherit at conception. That doesn't square for me with love, it would seem petty and vindictive.
Perspective is the best I can come up with.
rheff78
I'm your huckleberry.
Well, you are certainly entitled to that opinion. Original Sin is a difficult one to accept. Not all christians believe in it.
McBell
Unbound
Yes I do understand what you are saying.
I just disagree with you.
Wrong.
I do not claim to know what God does and does not do.
I have only stated that by the very definition of omniscience, god cannot have an interest.
Wrong again:
omniscience - definition of omniscience by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
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I have never claimed to know what God thinks.
Yours or anyone else's.
That is something you merely claim I am doing.
Your claiming it does not make it true.
Nice try though.
Evidence of what?
Try looking up the definition of 'omniscience.'
It should not be to hard seeing as I linked to four different sites above.
Starfish
Please no sarcasm
I completely agree with rheff78 in that God loves each of us more than we can comprehend.
I belong to one of those Christian faiths that doesn't believe that we are punished for Adam's "sin". We'll be punished our own sins. The pain we have to endure is simply part of living in an imperfect mortal world. This is our "school" and we are here to learn. A good parent doesn't protect his child from all life's pains, because he wants that child to grow up to be the best possible. To totally protect us from pain would produce weak, uncompassionate, spoiled people.
He lets us stumble because he wants the best for us. And he knows our potential much better than we do.
Also, NONE OF US really know how much he is intervening in our lives. For example, remember when you got that phone call that made you late for your appointment? Perhaps you were being saved from a fatal car accident by the 5 min. delay. You just don't know. We are so busy blaming God for our problems, and he gets no appreciation for what he has done.
I belong to one of those Christian faiths that doesn't believe that we are punished for Adam's "sin". We'll be punished our own sins. The pain we have to endure is simply part of living in an imperfect mortal world. This is our "school" and we are here to learn. A good parent doesn't protect his child from all life's pains, because he wants that child to grow up to be the best possible. To totally protect us from pain would produce weak, uncompassionate, spoiled people.
He lets us stumble because he wants the best for us. And he knows our potential much better than we do.
Also, NONE OF US really know how much he is intervening in our lives. For example, remember when you got that phone call that made you late for your appointment? Perhaps you were being saved from a fatal car accident by the 5 min. delay. You just don't know. We are so busy blaming God for our problems, and he gets no appreciation for what he has done.
Smoke
Done here.
If I believed in the Abrahamic god I would prefer that he not have any interest in my life.
An omnipotent god who intervenes to strike someone dead for practicing coitus interruptus or for daring to touch the Ark of the Covenant in trying to keep it from falling over, who hardens a ruler's heart and then sends horrific plagues on that ruler's people just to show off his power, as the god of the Bible did, but who allows tens of thousands of people to starve to death every day and who will ultimately condemn the majority of people to everlasting and unspeakable torment is a god who has an interest in us, all right, but it's a malicious interest.
Better to be ignored than to have the interest of a monster like that.
If there were some other, more beneficent god who created us all, I can't think of any reason he'd have any more interest our welfare than in the welfare of his other creatures.
An omnipotent god who intervenes to strike someone dead for practicing coitus interruptus or for daring to touch the Ark of the Covenant in trying to keep it from falling over, who hardens a ruler's heart and then sends horrific plagues on that ruler's people just to show off his power, as the god of the Bible did, but who allows tens of thousands of people to starve to death every day and who will ultimately condemn the majority of people to everlasting and unspeakable torment is a god who has an interest in us, all right, but it's a malicious interest.
Better to be ignored than to have the interest of a monster like that.
If there were some other, more beneficent god who created us all, I can't think of any reason he'd have any more interest our welfare than in the welfare of his other creatures.
Starfish
Please no sarcasm
This is a tragic viewpoint. I don't know how you bear it.
rheff78
I'm your huckleberry.
You are saying you knw what God thinks, because you claim he has no interest in us. My faith tells me that he has an interest in us. You don't have anything to say that he DOESN"T have one. Omniscience CAN'T be defined by us. I dn't care what googe or wikipedia or whatever says. Like I said, the very word is as infallible as God himself.
Smoke
Done here.
I don't believe in the Abrahamic god, so there's nothing to bear. I don't understand how believers can bear it. If I believed in their god, it would drive me to despair.
Starfish
Please no sarcasm
That's because you don't really know him.
McBell
Unbound
When did I say that God has no interest?
I would appreciate it if you would refrain from putting words into me mouth.
I never claimed that God does not have an interest.
That is your straw man.
Gotta hand it to you, though.
You defeated it rather nicely.
What I did say is that an omniscience God cannot, by the very definition of omniscience, have an interest.
The word has been defined.
Your dislike of the definitions presented is your problem, not mine.
Starfish
Please no sarcasm
Having felt God's spirit, I hope to never be without it.
I don't doubt you had an experience, but how do you know for certain it was anything to do with God?
Godfather89
I am Who I am
1. If God made us (regardless of beliefs) than he is responsible for us, and therefore would take care of us. If "God" made us but was irresponsible than this is a lesser-god and not our true God and we would be taken to the highest all-transcending God.
2. I am one aspect of God as you are, separate yet interconnected. This is why God would have a personal interest in my welfare. The term Panentheism comes to mind... In everything yet maintains its own identity.
Starfish
Please no sarcasm
Oh, it hasn't anything to do with any one experience. I've learned that being obedient to God's commandments, works. Life goes MUCH better. Abundant blessings! When you feel your life is on track, it brings tremendous peace as well as confidence. We really try to keep the atmosphere in our home, inviting to God's spirit. It's very real to us. I wouldn't ever want to live any other way.
I know it has everything to do with God. I pray to him and he has answered my prayers. We've learned the promises in the scriptures are real, because we've put them to the test. I have felt his spirit as he has led me. He is teaching me that I can do much more than I ever realized. All those values I been taught all my life are working for me.
blueman
God's Warrior
Because of the following:
(1) He created you and made you in His own image and
(2) Because He loves you.
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
He/she should care because he/she is our generator and therefore our operator.
He/she cares because he/she loves us
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
"1O SON OF MAN! I loved thy creation, hence I created thee. Wherefore, do thou love Me, that I may name thy name and fill thy soul with the spirit of life. "
This is the fourth Arabic Hidden Word.
Regards,
Scott
This is the fourth Arabic Hidden Word.
Regards,
Scott