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"God did it"

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
The definition of 0K is not asymptotic, because temperature is directly proportional to kinetic energy of the atoms. But we do know that all movement would stop if you could achieve 0K, because a total lack of heat energy is what zero Kelvin is defined as.
 

Luminous

non-existential luminary
Look in the mirror and ask [yourself] why are you here.
Looking for Christianity!!

or God wants me to Increase my belief and knowledge of Christianity!!!

;)Psych.

I'm here to inform myself and find truth, clarify my assumptions, and let people know what i think.
also, God wants me to Increase my information, search for truth, clarify my assumptions, and let people know what i think.
 
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jmvizanko

Uber Tool
Absolute zero temperature of -273 degrees ceslsius.

We've never got within 0.00012 dehrees of the temperature. Therefore, we don't actually know that all matter ceases to move at that point. All we have is a very old graph.

Actually, with Bose-Einstein Condensate we have reached .0000000017 Kelvin. And much more interesting than matter ceasing to move, many of the atoms occupy the same, and lowest, quantum state at this temperature. Which means they are indistinguishable from one another, and they essentially coalesce into one atom.
 

Luminous

non-existential luminary
The definition of 0K is not asymptotic, because temperature is directly proportional to kinetic energy of the atoms. But we do know that all movement would stop if you could achieve 0K, because a total lack of heat energy is what zero Kelvin is defined as.
kenetic energy? what if an atom obtains negative kenetic energy and starts to suck it out of its surrounding.
also, aren't atoms made of energy(not kenetic obviously)?
perhaps K is square-rootesc, with 0K as its origin...perhaps open origin.
 

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
Negative kinetic energy would involve either negative mass or imaginary velocity. Neither is a sensible idea.

And yes, atoms do have energy content. However, this is irrelevant to measuring temperature.
 

Luminous

non-existential luminary
Im sorry: 0K is not determined by square-root. it is determined by the quadratic-root...especifically the quadratic root of blackbody(thermal) radiation photons in comparison to degrees celcius, at which zero is the freezing point of water.
anyone find something different?
 

Luminous

non-existential luminary
Temperatures that are expressed as negative numbers on the familiar Celsius or Fahrenheit scales are simply colder than the zero points of those scales. Certain systems can achieve truly negative temperatures; that is, their thermodynamic temperature (expressed in kelvin) can be of a negative quantity. A system with a truly negative temperature is not colder than absolute zero. Rather, a system with a negative temperature is hotter than any system with a positive temperature in the sense that if a negative-temperature system and a positive-temperature system come in contact, heat will flow from the negative- to the positive-temperature system

ok. im back to not knowing what is going on... -__-
 
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darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
Actually, with Bose-Einstein Condensate we have reached .0000000017 Kelvin. And much more interesting than matter ceasing to move, many of the atoms occupy the same, and lowest, quantum state at this temperature. Which means they are indistinguishable from one another, and they essentially coalesce into one atom.

I havn't been keeping up to date with such things, i just remember my physics teacher a few years ago stating the fact i presented. Rather interesting result though, thanks :)
 

Luminous

non-existential luminary
Current cosmological models posit that the highest temperature is 1.416785(71) × 10^32 kelvins, also known as the Planck temperature.[2] Some forms of string theory allow a temperature of 10^30 K, known as Hagedorn temperature. The Planck temperature is the highest temperature in conventional physics because conventional physics breaks down at that temperature. Above 10^32 K, particle energies become so large that the gravitational forces between them become as strong as any other forces. That is, gravity and the other three fundamental forces of the universe—electromagnetism and the strong and weak nuclear forces—become a single unified force. Knowing how that happens, the so-called "theory of everything", is one of the greatest goals of theoretical physics today
the theory of everything: God did it!
 

i-M-p-A-c-T--

New Member
honestly, i get pretty irritated when theists claim they believe in Gods, or souls, or an afterlife through mere assertions and assumptions, based on absolutely zero rationality. I just hate it when people act as if there above everyone else, and claim they know the answers to questions we don't know, involving things such as Gods, souls, or an afterlife. I'm not so vain, as to admit when i don't know something....theists in general, come off as arrogant, lying, pretending, frauds to me for this reason...which sorta ticks me off.

sorry for that rant (which is completely subjective), but i'd still like a rational reason for believing in Gods, souls, spirits, or an afterlife if someone can provide it...(i'm probaly kidding myself here:facepalm:)...
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
I just hate it when people act as if there above everyone else, and claim they know the answers to questions we don't know, involving things such as Gods, souls, or an afterlife.

Yup, it's pretty annoying when people act all high and might. A lot of arrogance out there. Of course, it's a bit ignorant to think that it's just religious people who act this way. As a person who takes the side of theism in debates, I am constantly being exposed to arrogant and vindictive atheists. It's both sides, mate.

I'm not so vain, as to admit when i don't know something.

What? You don't like to admit when you don't know something? Due to not being vain?

sorry for that rant (which is completely subjective), but i'd still like a rational reason for believing in Gods, souls, spirits, or an afterlife if someone can provide it...(i'm probaly kidding myself here:facepalm:)...

The reason, the reason! I guess that would be a short life full of strange and mysterious experiences that have no satisfactory scientific explanation. As for some concepts such as reincarnation and karma..I'll admit I neither believe nor disbelieve in them. There are some concepts that I believe in because they are my very life and what I see when I look at the world. There's no doubt in me about some of these things. And there is this religion, Sanatan Dharma, that embodies this reality that I experience every day of my life, and on top of it, it is so beautiful, so marvelous, so full of wisdom. That I can't ignore it. It's a path I feel I must follow and discover it's truth for myself.

Does this mean it's reality? Maybe not. But it's the only reality that matters to me. It's speaks entirely to who I feel I am as a person. Nobody can take that away from me.

So that's why I believe what I do. Or at least, that's why I've chosen this particular path. It's more about discovering truth than actually knowing truth. Of course I don't know what reality is. Nobody really does. The people I respect the most are the ones who are thoughtful enough to want to seek truth because they realise they don't really know truth, and this lacking matters to them.
 

tomato1236

Ninja Master
Why are you looking for reasons to believe in God? If you don't want to believe it, just don't and be content with it.
 

Luminous

non-existential luminary
Why are you looking for reasons to believe in God? If you don't want to believe it, just don't and be content with it.
That sort of reasoning might settle with a certain other kind of person. :rolleyes: but im still looking for aliens and bigfoot.
 

Renji

Well-Known Member
honestly, i get pretty irritated when theists claim they believe in Gods, or souls, or an afterlife through mere assertions and assumptions, based on absolutely zero rationality. I just hate it when people act as if there above everyone else, and claim they know the answers to questions we don't know, involving things such as Gods, souls, or an afterlife. I'm not so vain, as to admit when i don't know something....theists in general, come off as arrogant, lying, pretending, frauds to me for this reason...which sorta ticks me off.

sorry for that rant (which is completely subjective), but i'd still like a rational reason for believing in Gods, souls, spirits, or an afterlife if someone can provide it...(i'm probaly kidding myself here:facepalm:)...

"honestly, i get pretty irritated when theists claim they believe in Gods, or souls, or an afterlife through mere assertions and assumptions, based on absolutely zero rationality."---- that's exactly why they call it faith. hehehe, just like what Jesus said: " blessed are those who haven't seen yet believed, (huh, as usual). And also, there are several things in this world unseen, no concrete evidence and all, but some or many believe in it ( like UFO's and ET, can you blame those who believe anyway?;))

"heists in general, come off as arrogant, lying, pretending, frauds to me for this reason...which sorta ticks me off."---- Not at all;) Maybe you just said that because you encountered a theist who possesses all of those negative characteristics. Let me clarify these things in terms of theism (or lets just say in one of those who believe in God, the Christians) : Fact: Not all theists insists or imposes what they believe in. Fact: Not all Christian sect preach the reality of hell in order to have many members. ( wouldn't it be more nice if they preach people on how God loves us, instead of showing a god who punishes?) Fact: Not all theist care if you believe in God or gods. They will still respect and accept you as you are , whole heartedly with no pretending. Fact: religion has nothing to do with the attitude of its members ( they can suggest, give advice or say anything, but they can't control a person) if its good or bad because in the end, you decide for yourself whether you do what they say is good and avoid what they say is evil. You are the master of yourself. Fact: not all theists are arrogant ( same as the atheists, not all of them are arrogant, some are even friendly). Theists are open minded and friendly,,,,, How do I know? because I'm a theist myself (RC) and I do not downgrade any beliefs just because they oppose my own.:)
 

i-M-p-A-c-T--

New Member
Why are you looking for reasons to believe in God? If you don't want to believe it, just don't and be content with it.
i never claimed i didn't want to believe in a God, i just want a valid reason to. I don't claim to want to believe in Gods or Evolution, however there is evidence supporting evolution, therefore i have know choice but to acknowledge it as fact...Gods on the other hand...
 

i-M-p-A-c-T--

New Member
"honestly, i get pretty irritated when theists claim they believe in Gods, or souls, or an afterlife through mere assertions and assumptions, based on absolutely zero rationality."---- that's exactly why they call it faith.
as far as i'm concerned faith is just an irrational excuse to believe in something absurd...
If faith is what compels believers, what's stopping them from believing in dragons, leprechauns, bigfoot, or the invisible gnome?:areyoucra
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
as far as i'm concerned faith is just an irrational excuse to believe in something absurd...
If faith is what compels believers, what's stopping them from believing in dragons, leprechauns, bigfoot, or the invisible gnome?:areyoucra

I actually agree with you here.
 
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