"God did it"

[Renji]

as far as i'm concerned faith is just an irrational excuse to believe in something absurd...
If faith is what compels believers, what's stopping them from believing in dragons, leprechauns, bigfoot, or the invisible gnome?:areyoucra

What compels believers from believing those things? Many..... It can be their religious doctrines, culture, personal reasons etc. Faith isn't always an irrational excuse. If that's the case, why would a person say : "Have a little faith in me." For me, faith is the "driving force" on whether you believe on a particular thing or not.

 

[yourhopeboundheart]

What compels believers from believing those things? Many..... It can be their religious doctrines, culture, personal reasons etc. Faith isn't always an irrational excuse. If that's the case, why would a person say : "Have a little faith in me." For me, faith is the "driving force" on whether you believe on a particular thing or not.

so from what you said above it sounds like you are describing the word "trust".

 

[Renji]

so from what you said above it sounds like you are describing the word "trust".

Can be. It can also be hope (now if you're going to ask me: "what if god or gods doesn't really exist, then these people have a false hope and trust on something that is non existent? then faith is useless?" If that's the case, it's not the problem of the non believers anymore. It's the believer's problem, leave it to them)....

 

[yourhopeboundheart]

Can be. It can also be hope (now if you're going to ask me: "what if god or gods doesn't really exist, then these people have a false hope and trust on something that is non existent? then faith is useless?" If that's the case, it's not the problem of the non believers anymore. It's the believer's problem, leave it to them)....

i've always considered the difference between trust and faith as this; trust is belief in something after it's proven itself, and faith is belief in what has not proven itself.

trust seems to leave a little more room for error, considering that a chair that you trust to stand up to your weight can and probably will fail you if you use it enough times. whereas faith is without room for error, that even evidence against should be rejected in favor of faithful belief.
i hope i'm not misunderstanding the terms. but i definitely feel like your above definition is leaning more toward "trust".

and the dilemma of one member of a community can certainly become the dilemma of the rest, so i dont think anything is either "the believer's problem" or "the non-believer's problem". and i also dont claim to be pretentious enough to be certain of any god's existence.

 

[Renji]

I've discussed religious beliefs with alot of theists, and it always seem to boil down to this: "I can't explain blah blah blah, therefore God did it"....

I'm a 'theist' but I absolutely don't do that. 'Blaming' all things to God is also equivalent of making an excuse to your own faults.

 

[Renji]

i've always considered the difference between trust and faith as this; trust is belief in something after it's proven itself, and faith is belief in what has not proven itself.

trust seems to leave a little more room for error, considering that a chair that you trust to stand up to your weight can and probably will fail you if you use it enough times. whereas faith is without room for error, that even evidence against should be rejected in favor of faithful belief.
i hope i'm not misunderstanding the terms. but i definitely feel like your above definition is leaning more toward "trust".

and the dilemma of one member of a community can certainly become the dilemma of the rest, so i dont think anything is either "the believer's problem" or "the non-believer's problem". and i also dont claim to be pretentious enough to be certain of any god's existence.

True, there is a distinction. But isn't trust also a component of faith?

 

[idea]

i've always considered the difference between trust and faith as this; trust is belief in something after it's proven itself, and faith is belief in what has not proven itself.

Everything we do for the first time, we do with faith... like eating a new type of food, we put it into our mouth and chew after having faith in the person who suggested it... AFTER you eat it, then you can start gaining trust... trust in something comes after you try it in faith. Also, things change, just because you can trust something one day, does not mean you can trust it the next... so faith is always involved, in everything.

 

[Twilight Hue]

so from what you said above it sounds like you are describing the word "trust".

Its really close but I see a difference in faith and trust in which faith is completely unsubstantiated in every aspect, and trust has at least some manner of basis to go on.