God did not create the Universe

[Primordial Annihilator]

Awww ... how nice of you to say, Primordial Annihilator! :hug:

All-too-often I find myself posting on RF and becoming dismayed because no one agrees with me or appreciates my input. I never thought I would be admired by a Luciferian. You don't seem to be the embodiment of evil or a lesser demon. You're too nice.

BTW I noticed your profile picture is a Chaos Wheel. In the Conan movies, this is what Arnold Schwarzenegger wears around his neck. Supposed to be indicative of Conan's religious beliefs or spiritual path. Any thoughts on that?

Hehe easy there big guy...I dont do human contact very well.

You see you never know when an expected ally pops up...and some allies come from the unlikeliest places.

Yes it is a Chaos wheel....yes Conan the Destroyer...

Chaos is my theology in a way...chaos is at the root of all things...stars salt herrings and men.

I am nice to good people...

 

[darkendless]

No need to go to extremes dear boy..just a little suppression...just a smidgeon...otherwise we're talking anarchy.

A little bit of supression over the last 2000 years has meant a sword between the ribs. Thank you very much Christianity.

 

[Midnight Pete]

...... and yet your religion tries very hard to supress elements of human nature?

Certain elements of human nature ought to be suppressed, for the good of society and the self. Dark-sided emotions, primitive drives. But too much suppression of anything is harmful, of course.

 

[Midnight Pete]

A little bit of supression over the last 2000 years has meant a sword between the ribs. Thank you very much Christianity.

How did you get to be so angry? Anger seems to be your defining characteristic.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Hehe easy there big guy...I dont do human contact very well.

Not a problem on Internet message boards.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

Not a problem on Internet message boards.

Indeed.

Still, like a wary Dog, I dont mind people getting close once I get to know them.

 

[darkendless]

How did you get to be so angry? Anger seems to be your defining characteristic.

Angry no, i really don't care. I'm just not very "respectful" towards religion in that i will say exactly what i think.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Skeptisch,

What you missed:
Am not against science am not against Stephen Hawkings; rather love him.
Am just pointing towards an understanding and if the logic is illogical; do reflect back.
You may read the last post again or better repeating it again.
God is a label.
Label like any other for an understanding.
Understand what
Understand that the label *god* means the *whole* Such a WHOLE that includes all forms and no-forms that which includes science too.
Now anything that contains us or we are all part off, can we discuss about it or perceive that *whole* of which we are a part??
Take an atomic structure and become a part of that structure and then as that part you can only describe what you are a part off and not what that whole is.
If you as that part go outside that structure then you are no more a part of it and so it is only an imagination that you are speaking off about that whole because that part which has separated is too small to in all respect to comprehend the *whole*.

Meditate over IT!!and then respond.

Love & rgds

 

[painted wolf]

Stephen Hawking is science. People revere him as a demigod.

I don't... I don't know any other scientists who do, not even the physicists.

Not I don't think some people don't engage in some hero worship, but saying "Hawking is science" unnecessarily elevates him. It almost sounds like you think of him as a demigod.

wa:do

 

[Willamena]

Stephen Hawking is science. People revere him as a demigod.

No, I think you're thinking of Carl Sagan.

 

[outhouse]

but saying "Hawking is science" unnecessarily elevates him

hawkins foundation is solid but he can get way out there with his own theorys.

I disagreed with allot of his talk on aliens and possible alien races and habitations

 

[Reptillian]

I don't... I don't know any other scientists who do, not even the physicists.

I wouldn't say that I think he's a demigod, but I'll be honest...if I met him I'd probably be like a gushing schoolgirl.

"Omigodomigodomigod! Its Stephen Hawking! I was inspired by your books when I was a teenager sir! Black hole radiation via quantum processes, brilliant! I'd love to discuss general relativistic quantum physics sometime!"

Oh and Willamena, I have a shrine to Carl Sagan in my closet.

 

[Skeptisch]

...I have a shrine to Carl Sagan in my closet.

Good old Carl is sadly missed.
His “The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark” should be part of every school curriculum and his baloney detection kit applied everywhere.

The book is intended to explain the scientific method to laypeople, and to encourage people to learn critical or skeptical thinking.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

Good old Carl is sadly missed.
His “The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark” should be part of every school curriculum and his baloney detection kit applied everywhere.

The book is intended to explain the scientific method to laypeople, and to encourage people to learn critical or skeptical thinking.

Science can create entirely new monsters and demons...dont you worry...mwahahahaha...

 

[Skeptisch]

Meditate over IT!! and then respond.

I have little problem with what your saying, too little to mention or argue about. Your mind seems to function on a level mine isn’t and I have little interest in mysticism. My meditation is done mainly for relaxation purposes, like looking into the stars on a crystal clear night, listening to harmonious music or reading a good book.

Also part of my ‘meditation’ is the simple acknowledgement that there is no scientific evidence that anything outside nature exists. Everything is subject to explanation according to natural law. There are no supernatural forces, occurrences and beings and just because we cannot explain many things yet does not mean an unnatural God is an explanation.

Neuroscientist Sam Harris makes some sense though:
“The mystic has recognized something about the nature of consciousness prior to thought, and this recognition is susceptible to rational discussion. The mystic has reasons for what he believes, and these reasons are empirical. The roiling mystery of the world can be analyzed with concepts (this is science), or it can be experienced free of concepts (this is mysticism). Religion is nothing more than bad concepts held in place of good ones for all time. It is the denial—at once full of hope and full of fear—of the vastitude of human ignorance.”

Rewiring our brains to accept this reality would be a good thing. It would take care of all that supernatural baloney that is served up in today’s world. But many of us don’t want to live in that reality, they rather manufacture their own.

 

[zenzero]

Friend skeptisch,

Since you are science oriented kindly go through the para below once again and reflect on it; maybe meditate was incorrect or something that we are not one with in understanding.

Understand that the label *god* means the *whole* Such a WHOLE that includes all forms and no-forms that which includes science too.
Now anything that contains us or we are all part off, can we discuss about it or perceive that *whole* of which we are a part??
Take an atomic structure and become a part of that structure and then as that part you can only describe what you are a part off and not what that whole is.
If you as that part go outside that structure then you are no more a part of it and so it is only an imagination that you are speaking off about that whole because that part which has separated is too small to in all respect to comprehend the *whole*.

If you find any mysticism in the above do bring it up for discussion.

Love & rgds

 

[atanu]

Rewiring our brains to accept this reality would be a good thing. It would take care of all that supernatural baloney that is served up in today’s world. But many of us don’t want to live in that reality, they rather manufacture their own.

Friend

A dead body has a brain yet a dead body does not say "I wish to live". I hope that there will be a reply.

The process of rationality is what is called mind. Yet do we know the mind?

Om

 

[outhouse]

Friend

A dead body has a brain yet a dead body does not say "I wish to live". I hope that there will be a reply.

The process of rationality is what is called mind. Yet do we know the mind?

Om

any chance you could restate that so it makes sense???? im a little slow and cant understand what your trying to say

Religion is nothing more than bad concepts held in place of good ones for all time. It is the denial—at once full of hope and full of fear—of the vastitude of human ignorance

I think your on the right road but took a wrong turn lol .

I like to look at it as myths created to answer questions that man does not know. Its evident in ancient writings.

I dont think its a bad concept as long as its faith is kept in check, you do have merit with all the genocide that has occured since religions history started.

I cant argue the ignornace when it comes to how man views the origin of mankind through religious eyes, it seems barbaric and primitive in my opinion

 

[atanu]

any chance you could restate that so it makes sense???? im a little slow and cant understand what your trying to say

Hi Outhouse

I said "A dead body has a brain yet a dead body does not say "I wish to live"".

I meant that a dead body has all the organs but it does not say "I". So, I meant to enquire as to who says "I", apparently from within?

Om

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Human nature is always consistent.

If this was the case, the field of psychology would not exist.