God has to prove to me that He exists: what kind of proof should I demand?

[Shantanu]

Just out of curiosity..have you always been atheist?

No; I was a very strong theist for several years into my early forties, then I became an atheist, reverted back to being a theist and am now undecided seeking proof of God again before I believe once more. What can I do to determine the evidence except for continuing with my clock checking for messages and hopefully if God exists He will listen to my plea for truth and justice to be implemented by the United Kingdom State in the next few weeks until I have my appointment with the Consultant Psychiatrist at 9.30 am on 28 June 2019. I will then find out the truth on whether I was victimised by the United Kingdom State or do indeed suffer from an incurable or should I say insatiable hunger for truth in having the condition of persistent delusional disorder for which anti-psychotic medication of risperidone and anti-depressant (sertraline) are enforced of effectively as a price that I have to pay to remain in the Community and not be incarcerated in a mental hospital.

God was helpless over the 20 year period of my suffering persecution and so I do not have any hope left that I will see that justice and restore my reputation if not get a lot of money in damages and compensation from the United Kingdom Treasury for 2 periods of unwarranted mental health Act detention in hospital followed by semi detention in the Community as described above over a 20 year period.

So how long will any God worth His name continue to see me suffer such ignominy, is my question to Him. He knows He has to free me from the terror hold that the UK State binds me into. This is what He has to do to restore my faith in God.

 

[Shantanu]

Not enough faith.
You're not suppose to test God.
You were supposed to learn some lesson by your lack of success.

Common excuses.

I'd presume if one was on the right path, God would give them all of the support they needed. Like the ability to turn staffs into snakes.

Thank you for this advice: I am still doing clock checking for messages to see if He will entertain my devotional indulgence again should you be right that God exists. I have no proof of that.

 

[Workman]

No; I was a very strong theist for several years into my early forties, then I became an atheist, reverted back to being a theist and am now undecided seeking proof of God again before I believe once more. What can I do to determine the evidence except for continuing with my clock checking for messages and hopefully if God exists He will listen to my plea for truth and justice to be implemented by the United Kingdom State in the next few weeks until I have my appointment with the Consultant Psychiatrist at 9.30 am on 28 June 2019. I will then find out the truth on whether I was victimised by the United Kingdom State or do indeed suffer from an incurable or should I say insatiable hunger for truth in having the condition of persistent delusional disorder for which anti-psychotic medication of risperidone and anti-depressant (sertraline) are enforced of effectively as a price that I have to pay to remain in the Community and not be incarcerated in a mental hospital.

God was helpless over the 20 year period of my suffering persecution and so I do not have any hope left that I will see that justice and restore my reputation if not get a lot of money in damages and compensation from the United Kingdom Treasury for 2 periods of unwarranted mental health Act detention in hospital followed by semi detention in the Community as described above over a 20 year period.

So how long will any God worth His name continue to see me suffer such ignominy, is my question to Him. He knows He has to free me from the terror hold that the UK State binds me into. This is what He has to do to restore my faith in God.

You have got all this wrong..this is the reason why you were meant to seek in God..for it will teach you who to be aware of and not to approach in! So having not to believe in God has made you walk blindly on your journey..and I am guessing your pathway was full of wickedness, no?
Agitation is whom stalks you on your path now. you have now reach the point why all this is happening! And now you want to blame God bare in mind whom you never did believe was there..so then, you probably don’t believe in karma?
You are wearing a heavy coat..
It’s time for you to accept your wrongs and not blame God but yourself..Let go of everything that harm your insides and forgive all that has tampered you..use prayers to help you. God will always answer those whom asks..Trust me!
God does not prove for no.1..
More like one will get punished by wickedness if one not believed in God..but that was your own free-will choice you made! Not God.

 

[QuestioningMind]

It was not verifiable to me. And I have spent years searching. All delusional speculation based on how the human mind conjures up realities for itself based on wishful thinking upon preconceived notions.

I have yet to be presented with any verifiable evidence for any god claim either. The older I get, the less likely it seems that I ever will.

 

[blü 2]

My search for the truth about Existence has come to this question?

Any ideas?

There are two ways things might be said to exist.

One is as an object or entity with objective existence, thus something that can be found in reality, nature, the world external to the self.

The other is as a concept with no real counterpart ─ a generalization, abstraction, ideal, thing imagined, that won't exist if you don't have that concept. One example would be any character in fiction eg Donald Duck. Another would be the objects of mathematics, 1, 2, 3, π and much more; and other abstractions like 'a chair' as distinct from 'this chair'; or like justice, consternation, democracy.

If God is to be anything but a concept in your head, God has to have objective existence, be found out there in nature.

This brings us to the problem. Whereas if I want to hunt for Bigfoot, the Yeti, the unicorn, the Higgs boson, I have enough information in advance to know when I've found one, there's no such description of God; no test will tell me whether this keyboard I'm typing on, or that branch, or bird, or streetlight outside my window, or the fog, the sun, or radiation in the frequency range 620-740 nm, is God or not.

I'm persuaded by this total absence of a definition that God, and gods, exist only as concepts. (And I'm also persuaded by other considerations, but right now that's the one on topic.)

You may not be. In that case you're going to need a definition of God appropriate to an entity with objective existence before you start looking; otherwise, just as now, you'll have not the faintest idea what you're looking for; and what others (eg me) should be looking for as well.

 

[The Hammer]

My search for the truth about Existence has come to this question?

Any ideas?

My only idea, is with this outlook it is little wonder you will ever find a god.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

My search for the truth about Existence has come to this question?

Any ideas?

Who are you demanding the proof from?

 

[Shantanu]

You have got all this wrong..this is the reason why you were meant to seek in God..for it will teach you who to be aware of and not to approach in! So having not to believe in God has made you walk blindly on your journey..and I am guessing your pathway was full of wickedness, no?
Agitation is whom stalks you on your path now. you have now reach the point why all this is happening! And now you want to blame God bare in mind whom you never did believe was there..so then, you probably don’t believe in karma?
You are wearing a heavy coat..
It’s time for you to accept your wrongs and not blame God but yourself..Let go of everything that harm your insides and forgive all that has tampered you..use prayers to help you. God will always answer those whom asks..Trust me!
God does not prove for no.1..
More like one will get punished by wickedness if one not believed in God..but that was your own free-will choice you made! Not God.

I just wanted to know whether a God of any description exists in Nature for me to be able to seek help from, and what I should do to find that God. Is it within me or outside of me?

 

[Shantanu]

There are two ways things might be said to exist.

One is as an object or entity with objective existence, thus something that can be found in reality, nature, the world external to the self.

The other is as a concept with no real counterpart ─ a generalization, abstraction, ideal, thing imagined, that won't exist if you don't have that concept. One example would be any character in fiction eg Donald Duck. Another would be the objects of mathematics, 1, 2, 3, π and much more; and other abstractions like 'a chair' as distinct from 'this chair'; or like justice, consternation, democracy.

If God is to be anything but a concept in your head, God has to have objective existence, be found out there in nature.

This brings us to the problem. Whereas if I want to hunt for Bigfoot, the Yeti, the unicorn, the Higgs boson, I have enough information in advance to know when I've found one, there's no such description of God; no test will tell me whether this keyboard I'm typing on, or that branch, or bird, or streetlight outside my window, or the fog, the sun, or radiation in the frequency range 620-740 nm, is God or not.

I'm persuaded by this total absence of a definition that God, and gods, exist only as concepts. (And I'm also persuaded by other considerations, but right now that's the one on topic.)

You may not be. In that case you're going to need a definition of God appropriate to an entity with objective existence before you start looking; otherwise, just as now, you'll have not the faintest idea what you're looking for; and what others (eg me) should be looking for as well.

When all fails, one turns to God only to find that He is the greatest failure of them all and simply does not exist to be of any help or hindrance to anyone. So God remains a concept in the imagination inculcated by upbringing and societal interactions.

 

[Shantanu]

I have yet to be presented with any verifiable evidence for any god claim either. The older I get, the less likely it seems that I ever will.

It is the human mind that is easily deceived by things like magic and man's refusal to believe in the fact that we are highly intelligent on our own and know how to survive without a God.

 

[Shantanu]

Who are you demanding the proof from?

If God is reading this, can he continue to live in silence: if He does not exist, it is a rheteorical question.

 

[Shantanu]

My only idea, is with this outlook it is little wonder you will ever find a god.

The issue of whether a God exists to explain my life history to me is vital for the rest of my life on what I do and why I do it. If He exists He should be concerned about that so much so that He should come out in the open and address my issues.

 

[The Hammer]

The issue of whether a God exists to explain my life history to me is vital for the rest of my life on what I do and why I do it. If He exists He should be concerned about that so much so that He should come out in the open and address my issues.

It's no one's place to address any issue you have, except yourself. Also, you assume He w/a capital, why are you limiting your conception of deity? That is no way to find what you seek.

 

[Shantanu]

It's no one's place to address any issue you have, except yourself. Also, you assume He w/a capital, why are you limiting your conception of deity? That is no way to find what you seek.

That is what I am doing by this thread: my God concept is limited to how He/It can help me to address my issues of truth-seeking.

 

[blü 2]

When all fails, one turns to God only to find that He is the greatest failure of them all and simply does not exist to be of any help or hindrance to anyone. So God remains a concept in the imagination inculcated by upbringing and societal interactions.

No argument from me. However, it's also been argued that there may be evolutionary advantages, gains in group cooperation and cohesion, in having religious beliefs in common.

 

[stvdv]

God has to prove to me that He exists: what kind of proof should I demand?

My search for the truth about Existence has come to this question?
Any ideas?

To be on the safe side you better be careful how to phrase it:
Suppose God is not a "He" then God could not answer your question
Better leave the "kind of proof" to be asked to "God" and not to RF members

For me the best question would be:
Please "God" could you prove to me that "God" exists in a way that all my doubts are gone

Maybe better to add "instantaneous"

 

[lewisnotmiller]

If God is reading this, can he continue to live in silence: if He does not exist, it is a rheteorical question.

*scratches his head*

It's strange to be an atheist, or perhaps agnostic, yet determine that if God exists he is interventionist.
But whatevs, mate...I'm an atheist anyway, so not like I'm super invested. Just confused me a little.

 

[loverofhumanity]

My search for the truth about Existence has come to this question?

Any ideas?

I just cannot fathom how people don’t know there’s a God. To me it’s as obvious as the noonday sun.

And to think that at one time I was a devout atheist!!

Now I’ve found God and my life is full of joy and happiness not to mention inner peace and contentment.

Contentment is the greatest wealth and I’ve found it.

 

[Shantanu]

No argument from me. However, it's also been argued that there may be evolutionary advantages, gains in group cooperation and cohesion, in having religious beliefs in common.

I see; are you arguing that God belief serves a purpose in evolution of humans as an animal species?

 

[Shantanu]

God has to prove to me that He exists: what kind of proof should I demand?


To be on the safe side you better be careful how to phrase it:
Suppose God is not a "He" then God could not answer your question
Better leave the "kind of proof" to be asked to "God" and not to RF members

For me the best question would be:
Please "God" could you prove to me that "God" exists in a way that all my doubts are gone

Maybe better to add "instantaneous"

What is in it for God that He/It/She would interact with me: is a problem that hinders investigation.