God is a person

[tumbleweed41]

And another point that might be worth saying, during times of war, killing is not considered murder.

Only for the victors.

 

[Revoltingest]

....I know there is a God like I know there are people on this forum because I interact with them.

I presume it is no idle boast,
that you talk with the holiest ghost.
But some of us gents
are spiritually dense.
Could you get him to join us & post?

 

[Noaidi]

Through the Spirit... there are different forms of communication, one that we are all familiar with is our conscience - we are born with a natural capacity to distinguish between right and wrong, due to the light of Christ that is given to every person, the guilt we feel when we do something wrong, the good we feel when we do something right - these feelings and promptings come from God. If you are able to tune into your conscience - really tune in, and follow it, you will begin to recognize just how close and how real God is.

Totally disagree. Sorry. My conscience is something that I have developed over the course of my life, based on experiences and events and thoughts. There is no evidence whatsoever that it has come from a god, let alone your "God".
Neither you nor Man of Faith have answered my question: if you believe that your god is a person and you can have a real relationship with it, how does this take place? Do you both speak to each other? How? Do you touch? How? Do you both listen to each other? How?
If you can, can you keep your answer to a level that is understandable and verifiable to everyone? After all, we should all be able to experience this relationship whether we believe in it or not. How do you carry out this relationship?

 

[Man of Faith]

OK, I'll get rid of the metaphors:

Why would God emphasize with any one human out of 7 billion?


So God is a psychologically human, only wielding unmeasurable power?

God can have at least 7 billion conversations at once and is everywhere at the same time, he likes all ants.

 

[Man of Faith]

Only for the victors.

And Israel and God won.

 

[idea]

Totally disagree. Sorry. My conscience is something that I have developed over the course of my life, based on experiences and events and thoughts. There is no evidence whatsoever that it has come from a god, let alone your "God".

Through our life we develop the ability to either listen and follow the directions of the Spirit's still small voice, or we learn how to block it out...

No matter where we grow up, or what experiences we might have had, we are all given the same direction though...
Illustrations of the Tao

Do you both speak to each other? How?

Yes.

Moroni10:4 - 5...ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not btrue; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.

here is an example...

President ... talked about gaining a testimony. How during one General Conference he was impressed by one of the testimonies of Jesus that was born. A testimony given by someone who had a witness. He said as he listened to that testimony, he gained a desire to obtain for himself, a witness. He went home and prayed making known the desires of his heart. He contemplated his life, and made changes where he felt he needed to. After six month of changing and praying he received his answer. He said late one Friday night, when the house was dark, and quiet, he retired by himself to a bedroom. He there knelt down, once again making known his desires to gain a testimony of Christ. He listed all of the things he had done in the previous months, the things he had changed, and asked for guidance to know what more he needed to do… He said he came out of that bedroom that night a changed man. He admonished us to do what we need to do in order to gain a sure foundation, a sure testimony. That it would be our anchor and our support when we needed one. He left us with his testimony of Jesus Christ,...

It's real... you really can gain a witness. I now know God is real...

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

“Major discoveries are not like the discovery of America, where the general nature of the discovered object is already known. Rather, they are like recognizing that one has been dreaming.” - Paul Feyerabend

 

[Man of Faith]

I presume it is no idle boast,
that you talk with the holiest ghost.
But some of us gents
are spiritually dense.
Could you get him to join us & post?

I cannot ask God to change his nature because that is not accoding to his will.

 

[Magic Man]

Therefore he wills, feels, thinks, enjoys, loves, desires, and suffers like any person does. And I can cultivate a relationship with him just like I can with any person. I wouldn’t tell any person that they don’t exist, use their name while cursing, or do what they don’t want me to if I want to cultivate a relationship with them. I would talk to them and try to find out how to please them.

Interesting. So he's just a regular old guy, then. How did he create the universe? And how do you cultivate a relationship with someone you can't see, hear or touch? That would seem to be quite a bit different than cultivating a relationship with a normal person.

I agree I wouldn't tell any person they don't exist, but that's because I can see, hear and feel them. I can interact with them. I can't do any of those things with God. Of course, I don't use normal people's names when cursing, except Pete in "For the love of Pete!", but that's mainly because of the nature of taking God's name in vain. Saying "Bob damn it" doesn't have the same meaning as "God damn it".

 

[waitasec]

Therefore he wills, feels, thinks, enjoys, loves, desires, and suffers like any person does. And I can cultivate a relationship with him just like I can with any person. I wouldn’t tell any person that they don’t exist, use their name while cursing, or do what they don’t want me to if I want to cultivate a relationship with them. I would talk to them and try to find out how to please them.

are you saying whenever you are alone with god and you're walking on the beach, as you look back, you see two sets of footprints?

 

[waitasec]

And another point that might be worth saying, during times of war, killing is not considered murder.

the bravery of being out of range...

 

[Man of Faith]

Exactly. In giving these traits to God, it could be basically said that you have brought God down to a Biological level.

In Genesis, where it states that "we shall make Man in Our own image...", the writers brought God down to a level they could understand. Later, God is given the human attributes of Jealousy, Love, Commitment, Disciplinarian, etc...
The Christian writers even had God become human so that God could physically suffer like us.
This was a common theme among many religions at that time.

The human desire to understand God has caused many to define God with human emotional and even physical traits.

Or did we get our personal traits from God? I think it will take faith to say either way.

 

[Man of Faith]

are you saying whenever you are alone with god and you're walking on the beach, as you look back, you see two sets of footprints?

No, just one because he is carrying me.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I presume it is no idle boast,
that you talk with the holiest ghost.
But some of us gents
are spiritually dense.
Could you get him to join us & post?

Perhaps he invited a great host
To join him in a holy roast
But too many are on the fense
They make him shrink and wince
So all they get is burnt toast

 

[waitasec]

No, just one because he is carrying me.

what? you were floating around to the naked eye?
i'd sure like to see that trick

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

I think I'll pass on this conversation because it doesn't seem to be useful.

I think it is very useful. The Cosmos is a big place, why should God concern himself with the going ons of little creatures like man.

 

[averageJOE]

Therefore he wills, feels, thinks, enjoys, loves, desires, and suffers like any person does. And I can cultivate a relationship with him just like I can with any person. I wouldn’t tell any person that they don’t exist, use their name while cursing, or do what they don’t want me to if I want to cultivate a relationship with them. I would talk to them and try to find out how to please them.

I agree, God is a person... Those who have seen Him know that He is a person - perfect person, but He is a person, not some abstract strange entity...

This is why I'm convinced the christian god does not exist. I believe if a god does exsist god would most certainly be purely almighty. Not limited to the flaws of human emotions.

 

[Man of Faith]

This is why I'm convinced the christian god does not exist. I believe if a god does exsist god would most certainly be purely almighty. Not limited to the flaws of human emotions.

Since people point out my presuppositions, I'll repay in kind, saying that personhood or human emotions are flawed is a presupposition. Humans maybe flawed but emotions don't have to be. Would you rather everyone be robots that didn't love, long for, or be joyful?

 

[Man of Faith]

I think it is very useful. The Cosmos is a big place, why should God concern himself with the going ons of little creatures like man.

Maybe because he made man and loves him?

 

[averageJOE]

Since people point out my presuppositions, I'll repay in kind, saying that personhood or human emotions are flawed is a presupposition. Humans maybe flawed but emotions don't have to be. Would you rather everyone be robots that didn't love, long for, or be joyful?

They don't have to be, but that doesn't change the fact that they are.

 

[Magic Man]

Since people point out my presuppositions, I'll repay in kind, saying that personhood or human emotions are flawed is a presupposition. Humans maybe flawed but emotions don't have to be. Would you rather everyone be robots that didn't love, long for, or be joyful?

I'd rather an all-powerful being not be subject to rage, hatred or jealousy.