God is Female

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Vestigial; Yes - but quite a ridiculous notion once we realise this "god" - or rather my Farther to be accurate as Christ told it - this Primal and Sovereign Spirit - is fully CHOOSING all that it Will Be - it all flows from its OWN MIND without any external influences possible....

Therefore understand clearly - my Father is fully omniscient, fully omnipresent at all places and times and fully Sentient always of the entire Creation as ONE SINGLE EXPERIENCE....Sorry, but a mortal mind cannot even comprehend it fully - even the approach to it, is so stupendous that I could spend a lifetime describing it and still not even capture its bare essence - and yet the Divine hold it all, the ENTIRE CREATION - many many worlds and Souls without number to inhabit them - as said - all held as ONE single thought - one idea - one WHOLE concept,one LIVING CONTINUAL EXPERIENCE......

It is a MIND that causes everything - my Father literally IMAGINES - Christ and Sofia - these two complimentary personas WITHIN that mind - they combine to do the rest...Its very true - there is a limit of LOGIC - certain acts of Creation, DIRECTLY CAUSE certain other things to naturally occur - and likewise,preclude certain things from then ever occurring - LOGIC - the WORD of Christ - knows all the options BEFORE the Creation even begins - for as said, it is HE the male that DEFINES my Fathers Will and then Impresses that Will upon Sofia - dominates Her and so,causes Her Divine essence - the energy of Creation - to CONFORM TO that Will - thus creation is always a fully SENTIENT act for the Divine - and there is NOTHING that is impossible for this Primal Sovereign Spirit, except the universal LOGIC that guides it all...

In short Folks - MIND creates EVERYTHING - if you can IMAGINE it - then rest assured - you have ALREADY begun to CREATE it...For those with ears to hear...

 

[JoStories]

Can you quote your historic sources?

First of all, I would refer you to the book by Karen King called the History of God. Secondly, I would refer you to a study of ancient Gods and Goddesses most of which predate Judaism. In particularly, Catal Huyuk was one of the oldest sites of known religious faiths where the deity was seen as female. Of course, it should be noted, to be fair, that there were some that argued that there were both male and female deities but the overwhelming amount of female figurines pointed to a female deity based society, this according to Mellart, one of the archeologists. I refer you to this site.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Çatalhöyük'

 

[JoStories]

Would you rather refer to God as an "it"

In a word, yes.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Would you rather refer to God as an "it"

"It" is limiting, too. Until there's reason to believe that God isn't some sort of committee, I'd refer to God as "it or them".

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Penguin; Thats EXACTLY how Christ describes it - a committee - with THREE eternal members that then cause all else to come about..These three eternal members - are 3 distinct modes of SELF PERCEPTION within the SAME mind of course - 3 distinct PERSONALITIES that combine to create One Unified Being - a committee just as you say...

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

"It" is limiting, too. Until there's reason to believe that God isn't some sort of committee, I'd refer to God as "it or them".

"It" is clumsy enough, and if God is indeed omnipotent, there would only be One. Another god would negate that omnipotence. It stands to reason that if two gods existed, one would encompass the other, or they would combine into a single being. Also, if there were multiple gods, they would have no need to create a universe to spawn us.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

"It" is clumsy enough, and if God is indeed omnipotent, there would only be One. Another god would negate that omnipotence.

That makes no sense. A god who can do anything can cooperate with another omnipotent god. If he/she/it/they can't, then he/she/it/they isn't omnipotent.

Also, by referring to God as (potentially) "they", I wasn't trying to necessarily suggest multiple gods; I was getting more at one god that is made up of component parts that each identify themselves as distinct entities but that make up a larger whole.

... or a situation where "God" is a position that's filled by different entities at different times.

It stands to reason that if two gods existed, one would encompass the other, or they would combine into a single being.

Why would that stand to reason? It seems like you have some assumptions behind your reasoning that you haven't let the rest of us in on yet.

Also, if there were multiple gods, they would have no need to create a universe to spawn us.

How does that follow?

And a perfect god, having no deficiencies at all, would not need anything regardless, whether you had one god or many.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm surprised this thread isn't indicating to more members the inherent flaws of using human designs and concepts to describe an entity (or a group of them) that is supposed to be way beyond even the universe. Many in the West would say god is a "he," but when we call someone a "he" it is based on our perception of this person and certain assumptions about this person, including what sexual organs they have. But while we have plenty of examples of asexual reproduction, we assume that god must have male traits and characteristics. Even if we try to describe god as female, does that not too reveal that we think of our own features and characteristics as extremely important within the grand scheme of things? What if god is nothing more than a consciousness that is a nebulous web of energy? Where would we fit in female/male, and how could we do it?

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Shadow Wolf; And you too - EXACTLY what Christ ACTUALLY said - my Father is a CONSCIOUSNESS - a MIND - and it uses a nebulous web of "energy" to form the material worlds - exactly that...The energy itslef is merely a symbolic representatin Of that Mind..

where would we fit in Female and Male - how could we do it..?...explained in some detail a few posts back on page 3

 

[Lyndon]

Hi Folks..

Penguin; Thats EXACTLY how Christ describes it - a committee - with THREE eternal members that then cause all else to come about..These three eternal members - are 3 distinct modes of SELF PERCEPTION within the SAME mind of course - 3 distinct PERSONALITIES that combine to create One Unified Being - a committee just as you say...

Jesus never said that!!! Jesus made no mention of any "Trinity".

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks....

Lyndon; perhaps not in the bible version - but that is not HIS truth - that is CHURCH twisted truth to suit their purpose of dominating you...You do realise Im sure - the bible gospels are frauds..??...you are aware of that right..??...

I mean - the religion will have you BELIEVE that is the disciples - Mat Marrk, Luke and John - they allow you to THINK that it is them actually writing things that they supposedly witnessed directly - but is is NOT them at all - just skip to he end of each for confirmation......

That "canon" version in the bible - is taken from OTHER PRE EXISTANT GOSPELS - plus HUNDREDS of other manuscripts - and the canon itself is like "cut n paste" to form a NEW version - a TWISTED truth that they present as ONLY truth - then of course as we also - SHOULD - know - the religion under ROMES MILITARY DISGUISE - hunted down and MURDERED anyone who knew the ORIGINAL teaching of Christ especially - and anyone else who knew wisdom of other spiritual realities - all were lumped together under the term "gnostic heretic" and ALL spiritual practice EXCEPT catholic ordained was banned and punishable by torture and death - and the religion spent CENTURIES eradicating the ORIGINAL spiritual truths and replacing them the world over with their own "catholic doctrine"...

All that is BEYOND dispute - and is even fully admitted by the catholics in their own encyclopedia...The CANON gospels that make the NEW testamant - do NOT exist ANYWHERE before the FOURTH century - like 350 years AFTER my mate walked the Earth - they are literally MNUFACTURED at that now famous Nicea council...As said - OTHER ORIGINAL gospels DO exist - have been found purposefully HIDDEN to prevent this religion from destroying the truth entirely, and now, thanks to this marvelous internet invention, these ORIGINAL TRUTHS are once again freely available...

I suggest for clarity - seek out and earnestly read a tome we know today as the "SECRET Gospel of John"...Unlike the canon version - this ORIGINAL, has John himself telling us right at the start page 1 - WHO he is - WHY he is writing and WHAT happens when he meets the ASCENDED CHRIST - a purely spiritual encounter in which Christ explains EVERYTHING - LITERALLY so - from My Fathers first stirring Self awareness - HOW and WHY Creation happened - the ORDER to that creation, what got created when by whom - all the way through to mankind on the Earth and even beyond what to expect AFTER mortal death - all laid out in fine detail - written BY THE HAND OF JOHN HIMSELF - and that is something NO bible canon can ever possible claim...The god of the bible is NOT the SOURCE of Creation He said - it is ONLY an Angel - a CREATURE - a high ranking Angel I grant you - known as an Archon - but nothing like fully Divine - this one deceives you fully He warned - father of lies He called it and for THIS truth the priests of that "god" MURDER Him to silence His threat to THEIR lesser god..

Sorry to burst your bible bubble - but if you want spiritual truth then it must be done - if you TRULY want to be a CHRISTian - then for sure you need to know that which He said and that which your RELIGION has with held from you..YES - He explains how the Father first comes to a state of Self aware "life" from a void and none existant state - literally the very first "thought" of this Divine mind is fully explained...Next, He speaks of how the mind adopts PERSONALITY - in plain modern English - THREE distinct personalities emerge and He says these three exist in a none material world and TOGETHER they DIRECTLY cause ALL the worlds of form and the Souls to inhabit them, to come forth into existance..This TRINITY - fully abstract Being - modes within a Divine Mind and how to commune with it DIRECTLY and PERSONALLY - is the truth that Christ gave freely.. If then the religion has you believe something different - then obviously they have DECEIVED you - fully...But not to worry - I and plenty others see through the deception,and can answer any questions that are bound to now arise.

 

[Lyndon]

Modern research puts the gospels at 150AD or earlier, you are spreading a lot of misinformation, which is fine if that's what you want to believe.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks...

Lyndon; To be ACCURATE here - modern research puts FRAGMENTS of text that MATCH some "canon gospels" to that early date....It DOES NOT however, have any thing like a COMPLETE CANONICAL gospel to present ANYWHERE before the mid FOURTH century....

The canon as the CHURCH present it - and as it stands NOW in your modern bible - did NOT EXIST int hat form until AFTER Nicea.....BEFORE that form - the texts existed as said, as the ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS - and it is from these originals that the canon is COPIED and MANUFACTURED to suit church agenda.....As said - they are like modern day "cut n paste" - a bit from this book, a bit from that - carefully edited to give just FOUR books that largely agree, even WORD FOR WORD agree, directly copied one to the others in places..They are literally a DICTATED text...You have Google yes..?...Check out the ACTUAL TRANSCRIPT of that famous Nicea event to learn TRUTH of your bible beginnings...I mean - all that is even admitted BY the catholics - rather obscurely as they dont draw attention to their fraudulant beginning - but nevertheless they DO admit it fully in their OWN encyclopedia - again,Google can help if needs must...

And the ORIGINAL truth..?....As said - hunted down,destroyed,people MURDERED to silence it - REPLACED by ENFORCED catholic doctrine - THAT and only that allowed - and so Christ spiritual truth lost - bogus religious truth usurps it..

 

[ronandcarol]

"Can God create a boulder so heavy that He cannot lift it?"

If the answer is "yes", then He can't lift the boulder, and therefore proves a limitation.
If the answer is "no", then that is certainly an example of something He cannot do, and again, proves a limitation.

Come on now! Our little human minds can't begin to imagine what God can do and can't do. I would venture to say that God could make a boulder any size BIG and move it with a command.

ronandcarol

 

[Skwim]

Come on now! Our little human minds can't begin to imagine what God can do and can't do. l

Egad, not the "God is beyond our comprehension" ploy, dragged out every time the going gets rough. Oh well,

I would venture to say that God could make a boulder any size BIG and move it with a command.

Err, the conundrum isn't, can god make a boulder of any size and move it, but that being all-powerful, can he make a boulder TOO big to move? If he can make one that big then he isn't all-powerful because he can't move it. On the other hand, If he can move any boulder then he isn't all-powerful because he can't make a boulder big enough not to move. Get it?


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[ThePainefulTruth]

That makes no sense. A god who can do anything can cooperate with another omnipotent god. If he/she/it/they can't, then he/she/it/they isn't omnipotent.

One could decide to blow you up, and the other to protect you. Indestructible force.....immovable object....now what?

Also, by referring to God as (potentially) "they", I wasn't trying to necessarily suggest multiple gods; I was getting more at one god that is made up of component parts that each identify themselves as distinct entities but that make up a larger whole..

... or a situation where "God" is a position that's filled by different entities at different times.

Now you're pulling my leg. That makes no sense. Either the parts are part of a whole, or they're separate. Having cake and eating it too scenario.

Why would that stand to reason? It seems like you have some assumptions behind your reasoning that you haven't let the rest of us in on yet.

The definition of omnipotent is in the dictionary. It means unlimited power, which means unlimited by time or space or anything else.. There cannot be two such entities even on opposite sides of the universe. The existence of two such entities would each be a limit to the other's power, or one would limit the other--in either case.....

How does that follow?
And a perfect god, having no deficiencies at all, would not need anything regardless, whether you had one god or many.

If God exists, I can think of only one possible reason, the companionship of beings with free will and thus the ability to surprise It.

 

[psychoslice]

If your mind is set on what color, what sex, whatever about god, then you know nothing about god, you are too much into your mere little mind.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Err, the conundrum isn't, can god make a boulder of any size and move it, but that being all-powerful, can he make a boulder TOO big to move? If he can make one that big then he isn't all-powerful because he can't move it. On the other hand, If he can move any boulder then he isn't all-powerful because he can't make a boulder big enough not to move. Get it?.

It's the same question as can God create a box from which It can't escape? Or, can It create a square circle? If God is omnipotent, then It is also supernatural and thus not bound by logic, enabling It to be irrational. Or, such questions are examples of irrational propositions, using built in double negatives to set up false propositions, i.e. "can't not". I prefer the latter, but then who knows what "supernatural" actually means? When I die, I'm going straight to God and ax about this ****.

 

[Skwim]

If God is omnipotent, then It is also supernatural and thus not bound by logic, enabling It to be irrational.

He's bound by the concepts we ascribe to him through the meanings of the words we use. And these words reflect the logical consistency we attribute to them. When we say god is X we are also saying he is not not-X. Which means we can't say god is both X and non-X. That's the kind of logic he's bound by. Logic expressed through the concepts of the words we used.

Or, such questions are examples of irrational propositions, using built in double negatives to set up false propositions, i.e. "can't not".

Now you're closing in on the problem. The paradox lies in granting the existence of two mutually exclusive conditions through the overriding claim of anything-is-possible nature of omnipotence. Mutually exclusive conditions, like the existence of both X and non-X. The upshot of this is that omnipotence is a bankrupt concept.


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[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

ThePainfulTruth;

The definition of omnipotent is in the dictionary. It means unlimited power, which means unlimited by time or space or anything else.. There cannot be two such entities even on opposite sides of the universe. The existence of two such entities would each be a limit to the other's power, or one would limit the other--in either case....

Hmm...What though - if there was once TWO SEPERATE CREATIONS..????

Now - that IS what Christ said - and it would explain a great deal....Im with you - in a basic logical sense - there can only be ONE "source of creation" itself - one TRUE "god" - He - and I - term it Our Father....

But - there are TWO SEPERATE creations - one caused BY that greater spirit, the true Divine realms - and then THIS paultry and flawed creation HERE in THIS universe.....This little subsection was NOT created DIRECTLY by that original spirit - it was created in succession,and PURPOSEFULY HIDDEN - hence now,modern man has all these - ingorant - views of what this spirit is - the lesser one has confused us all GREATLY...it CLAIMED to be superior all powerful omnipotant - but as we can clearly see just by the experience of existing here in this mortal realm, that claim was a false boast entirely..

This may sound like woo woo bs to some - but think here - even our modern science KNOWS FOR SURE that other "dimensions", universes, planes of existance DO EXIST - they tell us now of a MULTIVERSE with many MANY "universes" all existing like "bubbles" that at times connect one to another - and all contained WITHIN a SUPERVERSE as they call it....entirely in AGREEMENT with that which Christ said.....There are a MULTITUDE of such universes,and as said elsewhere Christ explains them all - 360 exist at a similar level of Creation to THIS one we inhabit - we are the 361st - created by ACCIDENT and then SEPERATED from all the rest on purpose....According to all OUR sources of spiritual wisdom, we fully believed that one we call "god" to be supreme - but we should realise here - ALL our so called spiritual wisdom up to the time of Christ, could ONLY have ever come FROM that god and its angels - as before Christ,these two parts of creation was indeed, ENTIRELY seperate and as He said, no mortal nor even the god above EVER knew Our Father the true Divine....

Explains a LOT about our continued confusion dont you think..?...And as I say, ALL that He presented, is fully supported even by our own scientific investigations - we know for sure these other planes of existance - other parts of Creation DO exist - even though this god here we all know about CLAIMED to be the big boss of it all ,it NEVER was - according to Christ directly..

Yes indeed - LOGIC rules it all - it ALL comes forma fully Sentient MIND - in plain English - so,check out OUR mind and see how that works,then we will have basic understandinf of Divine potential - I will tell you simply - the creatin is IMAGINED into existance - two modes within the mind,combine to form the desired outcome - one mode - we term FEMININE - SOFIA - a goddess that is literally the "living energy of creation" - the other is Christ - a Male counterpart - He is the embodiment of LOGIC itself - this mode within the mind IS PURE LOGIC - that is why we temed Him Christ the WORD of "god", for it is HIS WILL that pushes the logic to its fullest unfoldment, thus causing the PROCESS of creation to occur - His logical defiiniton is IMPOSED upon the LIVING energy of the goddess Sofias ENERGY - it moulds it shapes it makes it conform to fully LOGICAL parameters and processes - and indeed,as said,we can and have worked out this "logic of creation" for OURSELVES and have mappped a good chunk of the creation process already - we used MATHS - the ulitmate logic - and through its UNIVERSAL application of PURE LOGIC, we see what IS and what IS NOT and what can NEVER BE and and of course we can work out what SHOULD BE - logic demands to be followed ALWAYS for it is the CORE IDENTITY of the Primal Sovereign Spirit - in plain English - a MIND causes everything - check out your mind to encounter the INHERANT LOGIC that you already contain....s my mate said right up front - those who wish to know the Father must first come to KNOW THY SELF He said - fully and completely - for we are made in that same mental image and our natural inherant logic literally governs everything..