Hi Folks...
Ah I was hoping commoin sense would prevail but apparantly not....the CANON is a fraud - fully admitted BY the catholics themselves...it does NOT exist in THAT form until after Nicea...Earlier first hand and direct witness texts DO exist and it is from these,plus huindreds of others that our standard bible is MANUFACTURED shortyl AFTER that famous Nicea event,the modern canon appears and is sanctioned and forced upon the world as truth.....The catholics dont want to openly admit that - but they DO admit it clearly here -
The earliest of the extant manuscripts [relating to Christianity], it is true, do not date back beyond the middle of the fourth century AD’.
(‘Catholic Encyclopedia’, 1909, ‘Gospels’)
and here -
"Our documentary sources of knowledge about the origins of Christianity and its earliest development are chiefly the New Testament Scriptures , the authenticity of which we must, to a great extent, take for granted."
(Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. iii, p. 712)
See what CATHOLIC AUTHORITY admits to..?..The EARLIEST and ACTUAL MANUSCRIPTS that they PHYSICALLY HOLD are fromthe MIDDLE OF THE FOURTH CENTURY - and that Folks - is EXACTLY when the Nicea meeting happened - and it is THERE that THIS FORM of canon is MANUFACTURED - that is WHY the ones they STILL have - their own "originals" ONLY go back TO that date, and they have NOTHING TO OFFER before that,as they made EVERYTHING ELSE a "herasy" - didnt they..??..See the second quote - they fully admit - that we must TAKE IT FOR GRANTED - take them at their word...The bible was DICTATED by a ROMAN EMPORER - and NOT for any spiritual sense - but to stop civil unrest - the spiritual leaders present had NO INPUT in the formation of their own "bible" - it was MANUFACTURED by Constantine alone...He had the religious bring ALL their sacred texts - then he told them to go do one, wait around while he had a SCHOLAR go through them all, pick and choose what suited, then he discarded EVERYTHING else and ORDERED the religious leaders to adopt this new MANUFACTURED form of their own religion..the account states it CLEARLY here - Eusibius,an aide of Constantine..His instructions were thus
"Search ye these books, and whatever is good in them, that retain; but whatsoever is evil, that cast away. What is good in one book, unite ye with that which is good in another book. And whatsoever is thus brought together shall be called The Book of Books. And it shall be the doctrine of my people, which I will recommend unto all nations, that there shall be no more war for religions' sake."
(God's Book of Eskra, op. cit., chapter xlviii, paragraph 31)
And look at the CANON GOSPELS themselves..So so obvious - its ludicrous to think these are legitimate first hand witness accounts - the books themselves tell us otherwise clearly..LOOK :
Matthew :
Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Most clearly the AUTHOR himself IS NOT PRESENT...Then the eleven go - the author did NOT go - Jesus told THEM but did not tell the author HERE or the author would say he went with them and He told US together..Similar - then Jesus came to THEM it says - and again,clear distinction THIS author writing is NOT PRESENT..
Mark :
19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. 20 Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.
Again we can see clearly - no way is the author here present at these events..Look - after Jesus spoke to THEM (not us as the author is not present) - then THE DISCIPLES went to preach (not WE disciples, not WE went to preach - this author was not there and did not go preaching with the disciples)..And the Lord worked with THEM - but apparantly has had no direct contact with THIS author here, or he would need to say the Lord worked with US or with ME specifically - again - the author of this book is NOT a disciple,and has no direct testimony to offer..
Luke :
50 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them. 51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven. 52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy. 53 And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.
Beginning to see..??....When He led THEM it says - the author of this book again, is not a disciple and was NOT PRESENT, therefore it cannot say "He led US or He led ME" as the author is giving a SECONDHAND account...Understand..??...Jesus blessed THEM - but the author here received no such blessing, does NOT claim that for himself..THEY stayed praising god - but apparantly THIS author did not as he does NOT include himself with their group AT ALL..
And of course, John - a most interesting case - as Jon has OTHER gospels that the religion said are "satan spawned herasy" lol - so one minute its SAINT John - and yet same man is satans puppet - even though the catholic doctrine is SUPPOSED to save us FROM this evil - seems it didnt work for poor John though...GO FIGURE....Should we admit to hypocrasy..?...or outright trickery and deception..??..Here another clear admission...
0 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”) 21 When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”
22 Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” 23 Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”
24 This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.
25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
Sorry - needed a longer quote there for correct context - Peter and Yeshua - speaking about ANOTHER disciple,who the author HERE infers must be John, as the author gives Johns authority to the book that is then being written...See then the author here again - is NOT John - and says clearly that JOHN first wrote these things down, and that this author (and his superiors of course) BELIEVE the things said to be true.. Again - the author HERE is NOT John - and is merely giving opinion about things he and his creed believe....That creed will then be FORCED upon the world as a whole under the ROMAN Catholic religion and all other forms of truth will be annhialated as best they can manage - but at no place is ANY of this based on DIRECT eye witness accounts OR the directly heard Word of my mate Christ..It will not exist at all until Nicea some FOUR CENTURIES after the facts - and as we see - YES - all this is fully documented - admitted even by the catholics...The bible as we have it now IS a fraud..
