Thief
Rogue Theologian
and God formed a women using a man's rib for 'specimen'
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God is Female
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Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Actually I am Bi, as are both of my sisters. I am in a long term relationship with two heterosexual males. I also know a couple of Bi males. They are not "into it" to manipulate and control. Bi just means you are attracted to both sexes equally.
Stating facts isn't being cavalier about it.
Women are tougher then society makes them out to be.
In the movie that I mentioned, - there has been a war, - and a lone soldier wakes up, - and finds himself in a destroyed world, with only women and children. They are extremely pleased to see a male.
BUT - they have been rebuilding by group consensus. He tells one group of them that they deserve something that they are having to wait for, - with fighting being the result, and women dying. At this point we find out that in the world war, - one side had used chemical warfare to kill off the males of the other, - and it backfired and killed ALL males. This lone soldier had been saved by female scientists, - and they had woken him up to see how things would go. War and death being the result of him being there, - they seize him and put him back to sleep, - and hope for a better outcome in another hundred years.
Does anyone remember the name of this short movie? I would like to find it. It Might have been a Twilight Zone, or some such.
I have no problem with tribal tattoos and the like.
I have a problem with an industry that teaches women to falsify self, - to sell themselves. Colored hair, changed noses, fake boobs, makeup giving fake high cheekbones, surgery to open up eyes, etc.
A couple of years ago, - I don't remember exactly where, - a man sued his wife for false advertising, which produces really ugly children for him. He won, as well he should have.
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Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Actually it is MANKIND = HUMANKIND = male and female created.
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Nope, mistranslation of the story.
Adam - first human-being - is a hermaphrodite - both make and female - and it is split in half - so they can procreate.
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PeteC-UK
Active Member
Hi Folks..
Ingledsva;
lol - where are you even getting that from..??..lol...
Now - I know the bible DOES outright contradicts itself about mans creation event - but at no point does it even infer that Adam was an hermaphrodite..lol...nonesense - no such suggestion even made...It DOES say TWO accounts that totally contradict though - in that first man is created TOGETHER both male and female same time it says and this happens it says BEFORE any other lifeform is created, even before the pants it says man is created - and we come first then the animals it says and we are all commanded to "go forth and multiply each AFTER THEIR KIND".......And thats an important statement when we come to actually look what is going on...
For next it will tell us scrap all that first chapter - for it contradicts itself blatantly next and says actually man was created LAST - and not together at all but TWO seperate distinct creation acts ...The whole narrative is dealing with creation of life and SEXUAL REPRODUCTION and that is ALL it is talking about - and look - it says quite clearly this contradiction - then compounds it with further contradictory details...Such as it says quite clearly - MAN HAS NO MATE and IS ALONE (cannot go forth and multiply at all ) - so the so called god lol - brings all the ANIMALS to him first and says "name them and see which is to be your MATE" - .lol.....Silly god doesnt know its own creation it seems - clearly thinks man can find his sexual mate from among the animal species (that IS what the whole passage is on about)...
When that is found to be no good - then and only then does this god decide to give Adam a female - and the intent is clearly in line with the previous chapters - to go forth and multiply each after their own kind...At NO POINT is it even inferred that Adam is an hermaphrodite at all - quite the opposite as we see - sexual reproduction is at the heart of that whole first two chapters (contraditciton and all) - and clearly the intent is to populate the Earth - our very first commandment BY that god - and clearly at first this is not possible for Adam at all....And just as clearly that is the reason why this "god" bought the animals to him - tells him precisely to CHOOSE A MATE to see if they were sexually compatable at all - for that IS what it is speaking about all the way through....Only then does the god finally realise - "oh yer man needs a female too."..lol....and so then and only then a female is literally fashioned from the mans genetic material...
Rread it PROPERLY Folks - dont let religious wishful thinking or enforced domination of your beliefs - control your free mind...read what it ACTUALLY says and always KEEP IT IN CONTEXT - then perhaps there is some truth to be found there...
Ingledsva;
lol - where are you even getting that from..??..lol...
Now - I know the bible DOES outright contradicts itself about mans creation event - but at no point does it even infer that Adam was an hermaphrodite..lol...nonesense - no such suggestion even made...It DOES say TWO accounts that totally contradict though - in that first man is created TOGETHER both male and female same time it says and this happens it says BEFORE any other lifeform is created, even before the pants it says man is created - and we come first then the animals it says and we are all commanded to "go forth and multiply each AFTER THEIR KIND".......And thats an important statement when we come to actually look what is going on...
For next it will tell us scrap all that first chapter - for it contradicts itself blatantly next and says actually man was created LAST - and not together at all but TWO seperate distinct creation acts ...The whole narrative is dealing with creation of life and SEXUAL REPRODUCTION and that is ALL it is talking about - and look - it says quite clearly this contradiction - then compounds it with further contradictory details...Such as it says quite clearly - MAN HAS NO MATE and IS ALONE (cannot go forth and multiply at all ) - so the so called god lol - brings all the ANIMALS to him first and says "name them and see which is to be your MATE" - .lol.....Silly god doesnt know its own creation it seems - clearly thinks man can find his sexual mate from among the animal species (that IS what the whole passage is on about)...
When that is found to be no good - then and only then does this god decide to give Adam a female - and the intent is clearly in line with the previous chapters - to go forth and multiply each after their own kind...At NO POINT is it even inferred that Adam is an hermaphrodite at all - quite the opposite as we see - sexual reproduction is at the heart of that whole first two chapters (contraditciton and all) - and clearly the intent is to populate the Earth - our very first commandment BY that god - and clearly at first this is not possible for Adam at all....And just as clearly that is the reason why this "god" bought the animals to him - tells him precisely to CHOOSE A MATE to see if they were sexually compatable at all - for that IS what it is speaking about all the way through....Only then does the god finally realise - "oh yer man needs a female too."..lol....and so then and only then a female is literally fashioned from the mans genetic material...
Rread it PROPERLY Folks - dont let religious wishful thinking or enforced domination of your beliefs - control your free mind...read what it ACTUALLY says and always KEEP IT IN CONTEXT - then perhaps there is some truth to be found there...
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
What? Eve was made from Adams rib.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
yep....on Day Six....
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I don't think so....and I don't read Genesis that it says so.....
Male and female.....no names.....no garden....no law.....
Day Six
Chapter Two is an isolated event
Adam is a chosen son of God
Eve is a clone.....no navel.....not born of women
and Adam was given his twin sister for a bride
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
Mistranslation, yes, but I don't know where you get hermaphrodite. Turns out the correct translation for what was called a rib, is baculum, or penis bone. I hear ya, but no its serious. Re: Sep/Oct 2015 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review (to which I've been a subscriber for lo the past 35 years). Anyway, it makes more sense, all of the first parts of Genesis being allegory anyway. Turns out many animals, including primates, have a baculum, but humans don't, so voila, an explanation for why it's missing.
Happy Thursday.
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
The first story tells us Adam-Human is in the image of Elohiym -male AND female = hermaphrodite, androgynous.
Story two says a HALF - not a rib - is taken from this being, - so we have separated male and female for procreation. Look at it in the Hebrew.
And this information comes to us from the Jews themselves.
The following is an excerpt from Genesis Rabbah 8:
Rabbi Yirmeyah ben El'azar said: When the Holy One, blessed be he, created the first humanity (adam), he created it an androgynous, for it is said, "Male and female created he them and called their name 'humanity' (adam)".
Rabbi Shmuel] answered: It means "one of the two sides [of the double being]". As Scripture says, "For the tsela of the Sanctuary..." - where the translation of tsela is "side".
According to Midrash Aggadah He created him with two faces at first, and afterward He divided him.
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Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Mistranslation, yes, but I don't know where you get hermaphrodite. Turns out the correct translation for what was called a rib, is baculum, or penis bone. I hear ya, but no its serious. Re: Sep/Oct 2015 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review (to which I've been a subscriber for lo the past 35 years). Anyway, it makes more sense, all of the first parts of Genesis being allegory anyway. Turns out many animals, including primates, have a baculum, but humans don't, so voila, an explanation for why it's missing.
Happy Thursday.
The following is an excerpt from Genesis Rabbah 8:
Rabbi Yirmeyah ben El'azar said: When the Holy One, blessed be he, created the first humanity (adam), he created it an androgynous, for it is said, "Male and female created he them and called their name 'humanity' (adam)".
Rabbi Shmuel] answered: It means "one of the two sides [of the double being]". As Scripture says, "For the tsela of the Sanctuary..." - where the translation of tsela is "side".
According to Midrash Aggadah He created him with two faces at first, and afterward He divided him.
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Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Eve isn't a clone - it says she is half of Adam/human-being.
And one more time
-The following is an excerpt from Genesis Rabbah 8:
Rabbi Yirmeyah ben El'azar said: When the Holy One, blessed be he, created the first humanity (adam), he created it an androgynous, for it is said, "Male and female created he them and called their name 'humanity' (adam)".
Rabbi Shmuel] answered: It means "one of the two sides [of the double being]". As Scripture says, "For the tsela of the Sanctuary..." - where the translation of tsela is "side".
According to Midrash Aggadah He created him with two faces at first, and afterward He divided him.
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Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Nope - a half of the original androgynous being.
Rabbi Shmuel] answered: It means "one of the two sides [of the double being]". As Scripture says, "For the tsela of the Sanctuary..." - where the translation of tsela is "side".
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Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
That isn't my translation (though I translate it basically the same.) It is an ancient JEWISH translation, and understanding of the text. And note - they use it's meaning elsewhere in scripture - to confirm the meaning.
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
ah....scripture I haven't read.....thank youEve isn't a clone - it says she is half of Adam/human-being.
And one more time
The following is an excerpt from Genesis Rabbah 8:
Rabbi Yirmeyah ben El'azar said: When the Holy One, blessed be he, created the first humanity (adam), he created it an androgynous, for it is said, "Male and female created he them and called their name 'humanity' (adam)".
Rabbi Shmuel] answered: It means "one of the two sides [of the double being]". As Scripture says, "For the tsela of the Sanctuary..." - where the translation of tsela is "side".
According to Midrash Aggadah He created him with two faces at first, and afterward He divided him.
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being the first human is not being the first man.
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
In human cloning the cells are injected into an egg cell (oocyte,) that has had its own DNA-containing nucleus removed. It is then placed in a womb.
You can't create a female from a male, - however - you can probably eventually get a male from a female.
The first form is female.
Chemicals cause this first form to turn into a male.
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PeteC-UK
Active Member
Hi Folks..
Ingledsva;
Yes it does say Adam was fashioned in that "image" - but your most base mistake here is to assume that "elohim" means hermaphrodite, for simply, it does not and never did - not even close..Elohim - is a PLURAL noun - like for instance - mankind - Englishmen - it denotes a SPECIES and a RACE of Beings..Elohim are a SPECIES and a RACE OF "gods"...NOT one god - MANY gods ...
Like if I say here - Iam Pete and I am a Human Being - that is exaclty the same as this "god" saying "Iam Yahweh and Iam Elohim" - and it is also the exact same context when a lesser Angel likewise declares "Iam Gabriel from the Elohim" for example - the word is a NOUN for a SPECIES of CREATURE..An ACTUAL race of beings - like calling someone an Englishman - or an American or whatever - understand - PLURAL NOUN - because we ARE dealing with MANY GODS and their leader we call Yahweh !!
Trace it all way back to the start Folks - Elohim ARE the same group as described much earlier by the Sumerians - only they call them Anunaki..The Elohim of the Jewish heritage ARE the much earlier Anunaki of Sumer.....MANY MANY "gods" - an entirely seperate SPECIES of intelligent HUMANOID CREATURES that once lived among us DIRECTLY and ruled and governed here for millenia.....
(yes Folks they ARE creatures - exactly the same as You and I - these Elohim are NOT the source of Creation itself - NOT gods - Adam is fashioned by GENETIC manipulation as we would now term it)
I DO always go as direct to source as possible - and again you are plainly wrong - no mention of a "half" anywhere in ANY translation I can find...
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0102.htm
Its very very clear - they took a RIB - a specific bone - it even says they took ONE of his ribs, meaning of course whatever it was, Adam had MANY - this simply cannot apply to your statement above,can it..?..No mention of a "half" anywhere - but mentioned two times SPECIFICALLY is the word rib - with context to tell us that whatever body part it actually was, Adam had MANY and they took only ONE - later context agrees still as Adam declares the woman is BONE of my bone flesh of my flesh etc etc..read it properly without the preconceptions...
It doesnt really matter how many times you repeat the same statement - it is still an error - obviously - as their own SANCTIONED VERSION - clearly carries the word RIB and has no mention at all of ANY such two faced hermaphrodite....Seems then you quote OPINION perhaps - but that opinion was NEVER accepted as "official scripture" was it..?..And as that first Jewish official scripture, will then go on to be twisted again into the new "christian scripture" with Genesis, then obviously we here are working from the original Jewish ACCEPTED scripture - hence the bible we have says rib and MEANS rib specifically as that IS what the original Jewish scripture also says...Obvious really..
But as said - hinted at - all this "genesis" - is the JEWISH truth - and its only a retelling of a MUCH MUCH earlier and FAR MORE DETAILED ACCOUNT that is found in the Sumer records...And again, there too - original source - the narrative says clearly created as BOTH male and female - no mention of any two faced hermaphrodites here either - though there is actually THREE attempts made before man is finally finished....For sure - these Elohim in the bible - ARE the same as the Sumerians call Annunaki - no doubt whatsoever - same names same places same narratives - only THOUSANDS of years before any Jewish nation at all...
Elohiim ARE Anunaki and they ARE a race of CREATURES - a SPECIES of flesh and blood living entities exactly like You and I...NOT GODS AT ALL...Not in the true sense at least...NONE of this bible truth - is CHRISTS truth - for He will come among us and explain it all - this whole entire universe is seperated and isolated from another and much greater realm of creation - the ones here we call "gods" are not gods at all - not the SOURCE of creation at all - just using the process and claiming a superiority they have no rights to claim....Only HE knew the truth for He said no mortal nor even gods or Angels HERE had ever encountered that other greater realm at all - only HE came direct from there , the realm of the TRUE Divine and SOURCE of creation itself....
Indeed - before Christ - the world had NO DIVINE TRUTH AT ALL - all we had - was manipulation at the hands of these others who created us directly - lies they told to keep us dominated and subserviant TO them so they could rule over us unchallenged..
Ingledsva;
Yes it does say Adam was fashioned in that "image" - but your most base mistake here is to assume that "elohim" means hermaphrodite, for simply, it does not and never did - not even close..Elohim - is a PLURAL noun - like for instance - mankind - Englishmen - it denotes a SPECIES and a RACE of Beings..Elohim are a SPECIES and a RACE OF "gods"...NOT one god - MANY gods ...
Like if I say here - Iam Pete and I am a Human Being - that is exaclty the same as this "god" saying "Iam Yahweh and Iam Elohim" - and it is also the exact same context when a lesser Angel likewise declares "Iam Gabriel from the Elohim" for example - the word is a NOUN for a SPECIES of CREATURE..An ACTUAL race of beings - like calling someone an Englishman - or an American or whatever - understand - PLURAL NOUN - because we ARE dealing with MANY GODS and their leader we call Yahweh !!
Trace it all way back to the start Folks - Elohim ARE the same group as described much earlier by the Sumerians - only they call them Anunaki..The Elohim of the Jewish heritage ARE the much earlier Anunaki of Sumer.....MANY MANY "gods" - an entirely seperate SPECIES of intelligent HUMANOID CREATURES that once lived among us DIRECTLY and ruled and governed here for millenia.....
(yes Folks they ARE creatures - exactly the same as You and I - these Elohim are NOT the source of Creation itself - NOT gods - Adam is fashioned by GENETIC manipulation as we would now term it)
I DO always go as direct to source as possible - and again you are plainly wrong - no mention of a "half" anywhere in ANY translation I can find...
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0102.htm
Its very very clear - they took a RIB - a specific bone - it even says they took ONE of his ribs, meaning of course whatever it was, Adam had MANY - this simply cannot apply to your statement above,can it..?..No mention of a "half" anywhere - but mentioned two times SPECIFICALLY is the word rib - with context to tell us that whatever body part it actually was, Adam had MANY and they took only ONE - later context agrees still as Adam declares the woman is BONE of my bone flesh of my flesh etc etc..read it properly without the preconceptions...
It doesnt really matter how many times you repeat the same statement - it is still an error - obviously - as their own SANCTIONED VERSION - clearly carries the word RIB and has no mention at all of ANY such two faced hermaphrodite....Seems then you quote OPINION perhaps - but that opinion was NEVER accepted as "official scripture" was it..?..And as that first Jewish official scripture, will then go on to be twisted again into the new "christian scripture" with Genesis, then obviously we here are working from the original Jewish ACCEPTED scripture - hence the bible we have says rib and MEANS rib specifically as that IS what the original Jewish scripture also says...Obvious really..
But as said - hinted at - all this "genesis" - is the JEWISH truth - and its only a retelling of a MUCH MUCH earlier and FAR MORE DETAILED ACCOUNT that is found in the Sumer records...And again, there too - original source - the narrative says clearly created as BOTH male and female - no mention of any two faced hermaphrodites here either - though there is actually THREE attempts made before man is finally finished....For sure - these Elohim in the bible - ARE the same as the Sumerians call Annunaki - no doubt whatsoever - same names same places same narratives - only THOUSANDS of years before any Jewish nation at all...
Elohiim ARE Anunaki and they ARE a race of CREATURES - a SPECIES of flesh and blood living entities exactly like You and I...NOT GODS AT ALL...Not in the true sense at least...NONE of this bible truth - is CHRISTS truth - for He will come among us and explain it all - this whole entire universe is seperated and isolated from another and much greater realm of creation - the ones here we call "gods" are not gods at all - not the SOURCE of creation at all - just using the process and claiming a superiority they have no rights to claim....Only HE knew the truth for He said no mortal nor even gods or Angels HERE had ever encountered that other greater realm at all - only HE came direct from there , the realm of the TRUE Divine and SOURCE of creation itself....
Indeed - before Christ - the world had NO DIVINE TRUTH AT ALL - all we had - was manipulation at the hands of these others who created us directly - lies they told to keep us dominated and subserviant TO them so they could rule over us unchallenged..
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
that would be chemistry as we humans now know it
scripture is about God......applying His Hand