God Is Not Father

[TashaN]

In the U.S> we have a term "founding fathers" that is probably somewhat the same. They are also occasionally callled the "founding brothers" - Washington, Jefferson, Paine, Adams, Franklin, Monroe, Hamilton - political theorists from which comes the constitution.

I was wondering if there was a term for father in the meaning of this: "5 a : one that originates or institutes <the father of modern science> b : [SIZE=-1]SOURCE[/SIZE] <the sun, the father of warmth and light -- Lena M. Whitney> c : [SIZE=-1]PROTOTYPE[/SIZE] from the Merriam Webster Dictionary."

God as the Founder of Creation, or the Source of Creation.

Regards,
Scott

Yes, there is somthing in arabic like the father of modern scince, etc.

 

[Squirt]

Female and male are earthly concepts.

How do you know?

 

[Buttons*]

How do you know?

good point. In all actuallity i dont know anything for sure.

 

[Squirt]

He is father time. He is mother nature. He is father of the universe. God is love, the father/mother of love. He is Christ, and also the father of Christ. He is the Holy Spirit, but also is the father to the Holy Spirit. Do not try to understand him, just respect his creations. And Michel, most excellent post!

Jeffrey,
Just curious as to where your interpretations come from? Do you think that we cannot understand God because He doesn't want us to be able to understand Him, or that He would like us to and has just made us incapable of doing so?

 

[ashai]

GOD IS NOT FATHER BECAUSE HE HAS NO CHILD.JESUS IS MESSENGER OF HIM ONLY.
29.But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?" 30.He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet; SURA OF MARIUM
91.No son did Allah beget, nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods), behold, each god would have taken away what he had created, and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah. (He is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him!
SURA OF BELIEVERSAnd He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live; 32."(He hath made me) kind to my mother, and not overbearing or unblest; 33."So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"! 34.Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. 35.It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is. 36.Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is a Way that is straight.

Ushta All

For crying outlouds! why are Abrhamics so hung up on sex and fatherhood! Can't you see that its not a literal fatherhood that is been talked about here? True my LDS friends believe that god has a body , but as far as i know they are a signal minority among world religions.

The father hood of god is simplky another more intimateway of saying he is Creator and source Geez!:banghead3

Ushta Ve
Ashai

 

[dawny0826]

Oo Dawny Anwer To Me.
You Believe Old Testament.
In Old Testament Sa&#304;d That:
Jacob Wrestled With God And Win Him.
Do You Believe This?
You Dont Know The Real Power Of God.

No living man knows the real power of God.

Further, according to His Word...we won't even have a chance if we don't accept HIS Son...Christ.

 

[hanif]

I ACCEPT JESUS AS A GREAT PROPHET.BU YOU DIDNT GIVE ANSWER TO ME.
DID GOD WRESTLE WITH JACOB.AND JACOB WIN HIM.DO YOU BELIEVE IN IT.
IF YOU BELIEVE THIS STORY IN THE OLD TESTAMENT HOW CAN YOU KNOW GODS POWER.?
88.They say: "The Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89.Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! 90.At it the skies are about to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin, 91.That they attributed a son for the Most Gracious. 92.For it is not consonant with the majesty of the Most Gracious that He should beget a son. 93.Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to the Most Gracious as a servant
GOD NEVER GOT A CHILD.HE IS HIGH FROM THIS.EVERYTHING IS BELONG TO HIM.
HE NEED NOT ANY CHILD.OF COURSE JESUS IS WORD OF GOD BUT NOT CHILD.

 

[hanif]

45.Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah."
48."And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel
55.Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
59.The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.
GOD IS THE CREATOR OF JESUS.NO ONE CAN UNDERSTAND
GREATNESS OF GOD IF HE OR SHE DONY BELIEVE ONENESS OF GOD.
GOD IS ONLY ONE.NOONE EQUAL TO HIM NOR JESUS NOR MUHAMMED.

 

[James the Persian]

In Christianity, we believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God. This is the Nicene Creed, as used in the Roman Catholic Church. There are slight variations (for example the Eastern orthodox Church; my friend James the Persian will explain the difference - (sorry James, I believe the difference lies in 'the only begotten' but I am not sure) )

No, that's not right, Michel. I'll keep this brief as it's not really on topic. The difference between the Nicene (Nicene-Constantinopolitan, more correctly) Creed as originally written and used by the Orthodox Church and that altered in the west and used by the RCC, lies in the procession of the Holy Spirit. There is no difference in the wording describing the Son as only begotten. The actual difference is that where the RCs describe the Holy Spirit as proceeding from the Father and the Son, we describe Him as proceeding from the Father alone. The additional phrase in the Creed as altered at Toledo is known as the filioque (the word added in Latin) and we see it as a distortion of the Trinity.

James

 

[sojourner]

If God is not Father, then why in the world would Jesus call God "Father?" And if Jesus were not God's Son, why would Jesus call God "Daddy?" (Abba). Both are Biblical.

 

[CaptainXeroid]

...Am I to assume that the reaction you're looking for is for fellow Muslims on the forum to give you a thumbs up and for Christians to roll their eyes?...

I concur! I don't see that the OP is really debating anything as much as he is informing Christians who view God as our 'Heavenly Father' that he thinks we are wrong. It smacks of little more than proselytization ...and a rather crude attempt at that.:tsk:

 

[jeffrey]

Jeffrey,
Just curious as to where your interpretations come from? Do you think that we cannot understand God because He doesn't want us to be able to understand Him, or that He would like us to and has just made us incapable of doing so?

Can an infant understand his parents? The child can grasp maybe who they are to him/her, but in a very simplistic way. So it is with us and God. We don't have the brains to.

 

[hanif]

we know god from his names for exaple he is allmigthy beneficient allknower.

 

[hanif]

&#305;n b&#305;ble god said to david my son.(MEZMUR)
according to this &#304;S DAV&#304;D SON OF GOD TOO.

 

[Anastasios]

Can an infant understand his parents? The child can grasp maybe who they are to him/her, but in a very simplistic way. So it is with us and God. We don't have the brains to.

but an infant can understand quite well, when he/she are grown up. And our nature has the same progress to understand god. And the speed of this progress is not the same in every person, it depends on the spiritiual, rational and intellectual training. So, there is no need make human nature that inadequate, by saying "We don't have the brains to". If God didn't give me this capability, how can I believe and reach the understand of God? In origin, noone wants to believe in God blindly. We need not only to know the existence of God, but also to apprehend and discover his truth. Yes, maybe we cannot see god, but we can understand its existence. It is impossible not to talk about Leonardo, while talking about Mona Lisa. Otherwise, I believe, everything is in vain.
In Holy Quran, God Almighty has clearly set forth that for the wicked the life of hell begins in a covert way in this very world, and if they would reflect they would observe hell in this very life. Here God Almighty has indicated three types of knowledge, namely knowledge by certainty of reason, knowledge by certainty of sight, and knowledge by certainty of experience. This might be illustrated thus. When a person perceives smoke from a distance his mind conceives that smoke and fire are inseparable, and therefore where there is smoke there must be fire also. This would be knowledge by the certainty of reason. Then on a nearer approach he sees the flames of the fire and that is knowledge by the certainty of sight. Should he enter into the fire, that would be knowledge by the certainty of experience. In these verses God Almighty says that knowledge of the existence of hell as a certainty can be acquired in this life through reason, its knowledge through the certainty of sight will be acquired in Barzakh. The intermediate state between death and judgement, and on the Day of Judgement that knowledge would become a certainty by experience.
All the non believers should think that if there is a God then they will be in deep trouble on the day of Reckoning and in the next world. So if anybody is interested in getting the true knowledge about God, then he should pray earnestly that if there is a God with infinite powers as the people claim then may God manifest Himself on him. May God show him the right path. If anybody does such prayers earnestly for 40 days, then we believe, whatever his origin, religion and country is, God will show him the true path and he will have no doubt about the existence of God.

 

[hanif]

We Can Know God In Constrained Way.
I Believe God Is Different From Everything But We Can Know Him From Names.

 

[sojourner]

We Can Know God In Constrained Way.
I Believe God Is Different From Everything But We Can Know Him From Names.

See my earlier post on the previous page.

 

[Popeyesays]

We Can Know God In Constrained Way.
I Believe God Is Different From Everything But We Can Know Him From Names.

I do agree. But we cannot know God in His Essence from studying any combination of His names and qualities.

One fault I find in Islam is its insistence that the nature of God is limited to 99 names or qualities.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Anastasios]

I do agree. But we cannot know God in His Essence from studying any combination of His names and qualities.

One fault I find in Islam is its insistence that the nature of God is limited to 99 names or qualities.

Regards,
Scott

hi popeyesays, just curiosity, how and where does islam limit gods nature to names or qualities, exactly?

 

[TashaN]

I do agree. But we cannot know God in His Essence from studying any combination of His names and qualities.

One fault I find in Islam is its insistence that the nature of God is limited to 99 names or qualities.

Allah have answered everything in Quran. He know the past, the present, and the future. He is the first and the last, the most merciful.

Dear Popey, the answer is in Quran. Allah said:

Say, "If the ocean were ink for the words of my Lord, the ocean would run out, before the words of my Lord run out, even if we double the ink supply." (Quran 18:109)

This is the proof to show that the words and names of Allah are not limited to specfic names and attributes but Allah love those names and he wants us to call him so.

There are alot of secrets and amazing information and benefits about his names which he taught us espcially and i'll look for it soon. So, you can read here in the verse.

"To GOD belongs the most beautiful names; call upon Him therewith, and disregard those who distort His names. They will be requited for their sins". (Quran 7:180)

Here God is warning us about people who distort his names. That's why Allah's commanded us to call him by his chosen most beautiful names and to not follow our own desires like when people before Mohammed "peace be upon him" forgot the monotheism and turned to call using other names including fabricated and pagan names.

This is how Islam is perfect, this is how Allah wants us to be.


If i said somthing wrong so it's because of my own shortage and lack for knowledge and if i said right so it's only by the will and help of Allah Alimghty (s.w.t.).

and Allah knows best ...


Peace ...