Unveiled Artist
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Has anyone given any throughout your years on RF?
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God is simple, not complex
- Thread starter Gambit
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Has anyone given any throughout your years on RF?
outhouse
Atheistically
Sometimes. For me it is a question of honesty, its not hard to get a simple question answered in a straight forward manner. When someone refuses to answer, its admittance to their own failures.
We get a few first year philosophers and a professor or two. Most don't last long.
What is it that it's supposed to be aware of?
Self-awareness is awareness of self, not awareness of awareness.
If one knows self, then it's a piece of knowledge.
Gambit
Well-Known Member
Self-awareness is the awareness that I am aware. That's why I asked you: Are you not presently aware that you are aware?
outhouse
Atheistically
False.
Who are you to redefine the concept?
The concept is VERY COMPLEX, because not many cultures define him similarly.
Which concept are you trying to redefine? the abrahamic god or one of the many other thousands of gods that existed in mythology ?
Gambit
Well-Known Member
I'm not redefining any concept. I'm simply attempting to correct a common misconception that atheists have, namely the belief that God is complex. Classical theology teaches that God is simple, not complex.
Not as such. I am aware. I can think, "I am aware," but nothing has changed for thinking that.
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Undetectable, immeasurable beings shouldn't have any problem being both simple and complex. What's to stop them from doing so.
outhouse
Atheistically
It is not a misconception
It is. Your ignoring relevant evidence
Does it?
Provide sources.
outhouse
Atheistically
Only people define these concepts. So that would be the peoples definitions only stopping them
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Yes. If a being/thing can't be measured, you can make any claims at all about it.
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
So "Art" has a conscious will, and our will to create is an illusion?
Shad
Veteran Member
No, so much for fallacious reasoning which you took as logical.
Neurology suggests that none of us are. What feels like being "presently aware as to whether or not you are aware" is actually the memory from a split second ago of being aware then. We don't actually multi-task as much as it feels like.
Anything countable has definable boundaries. Do you want to rethink your "one"?
No, she isn't... and neither are you. You may be presently aware that you were aware a moment ago, and you may be presently anticipating your awareness to continue into the next moment in the future, but the evidence seems to show that you (like all humans) are not aware of your awareness as it occurs.
There are other problems with "cogito ergo sum". For instance, the fact that there is thinking going on does not necessarily imply that there is some discrete "I" doing the thinking, and being "aware of awareness" (if we can even square this with modern neurology) does not necessarily imply that the awareness you're aware of is your own.
It doesn't need those things, it's only required that we do.
Gambit
Well-Known Member
I see. So, you do not know that you are aware that you are aware. In fact, you believe it is impossible to be aware that you are aware.
Gambit
Well-Known Member
As I see it, the term "one" here is not meant in a quantitative sense, but in a qualitative sense to mean "wholeness."