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God may punish but eternity in hell?

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
You seemed to ignore my comment with this verse. Please note that it says "have sinned". So, it is a past sentence and is referring to certain people who lived at that time. It doesn't mean everyone for ever shall be sinful as generally misunderstood

Absolutely agree. There will be a time when sin will be no more.
Sin and death go hand in hand.
If we could stop sinning we would not die.
Since we can not stop sinning on our own we need help.
Jesus during his thousand-year reign over earth will see to it that death is no more as Rev 21vs 4,5 says. No death means there is no more sin.

Adam was offered everlasting life if obedient.
We are not responsible for what Adam did.
Starting with the living sheep-like people of Matthew 25vs31,32 those people alive at the time of Jesus 'glory' can remain alive and keep on living right into the start of Jesus millennial reign over earth with the prospect of having everlasting life in view on a paradisaic earth as originally offered to Adam.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
As it is written, this is in OT, A Psalm or Song for the sabbath day.
What does it have to do with the 1000 reign of Christ?
Which verse says about 1000 year of Christ specifically?
You need to refer to the signs of the End-Time. It is written, That's when He was supposed to come.

And what will Jesus do when he comes to take action?
Jesus promised the humble meek would inherit the earth.-Psalm 37v11,29
How will that come about is showing at Psalm 92v7 when the time for action is at hand. Proverbs 2vs21 ,21 shows who will 'remain' at Jesus time of action.
Isaiah 11v4; Revelation 19vs11,14,15 shows Jesus words are the weapon Jesus will use to rid the earth of God's enemies.
Jeremiah 25vs31-33 also shows the end result before the start of Jesus 1000-year reign over earth.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Yes, It has begun. Note that the revelation of God, is like a Tree as it is written. The fruit of peace of the Tree is a gradual fulfillment, not a sudden one.
For example, one of the signs of just before the End was, "there will be rumor of war, then Kingdoms against Kingdoms, Nations against nations."
Clearly this has passed already!
No more kingdoms are left. there are only presidents, prime ministers, MPs...et.
That was in reference to the previous age, which nations and kingdoms raised against each other, such as Emperors and Kingdoms of Rome, Persia, China, Greece, Changiz Khan, etc…
Clearly It has begun, but only if people were not asleep, can see it!
seed turns to tree, gradually!
The sun rises to the middle of sky gradually.
baby is developed in the womb gradually.
What about the revelation of God?
Everything is gradual, but Alas, only what people had imagined!. How well it was said:
"Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?" Psalm 2-2:1
and again He said:
"...vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened." Rom. 1:22

Isn't a kingdom a government whose head is a king or a queen?
Doesn't the queen of England have a kingdom, a government?

Isn't Jesus crowned king of God's kingdom?
Wouldn't that indicate that God has a kingdom or government that is headed by a king? [Daniel 7vs3,14; 2v44]

What is gradual about Rev 18 vs7,8? In 'one' day plagues come to the false religious 'queen', or the world's religious sector that plays false to God because she has run afoul by getting in bed with the political 'kings' or 'world rulers' - Rev 17v2,17.

So, suddenly, without warning, the political world will turn on the religious world.
With backing the United Nations can be strengthened to turn on religion.

What about Matthew 24v14? Isn't the 'good news of God's kingdom' still being proclaimed on a global world-wide scale today?

What is gradual about Jesus coming unannounced like a thief would come?
1st Thess 5vs2,3
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
1 john 4:3 But if someone claims to be a prophet and does not acknowledge the truth about Jesus, that person is not from God. Such a person has the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard is coming into the world and indeed is already here.
according to john the antichrist is about 2000 yrs old :facepalm:

Why did you put a capital 'A' in antichrist?
Anyone who is against Christ is antichrist.
Just like back in John's day, and our day, any who play false are antichirst.

Acts 20vs29,30 helps explain who was there, and who was still coming.
The wolf-like clergy, dressed in sheep's clothing, would fleece the flock of God. That was already starting to happen at the close of the first century, and weed like clergy would continue until the harvest time of separation of Matt 25v32. The clergy [man of sin] [son of perdition] sits in the temple of God [house of God] showing himself that he is God when really he is anti-God.
2nd Thess 2vs3-8
 

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
What about Matthew 24v14? Isn't the 'good news of God's kingdom' still being proclaimed on a global world-wide scale today?

Note that the good news was given by the Bab who was the Crier and Herald of Baha'u'llah. The Bab is the return of John the Baptist.
Even as He said:

“Say, did ye not hearken to the Voice of the Crier, calling aloud in the wilderness of the Bayán*, bearing unto you the glad-tidings of the coming of your Lord, the All-Merciful? Lo! He is come in the sheltering shadow of Testimony, invested with conclusive proof and evidence, and those who truly believe in Him regard His presence as the embodiment of the Kingdom of God. Blessed is the man who turneth towards Him, and woe betide such as deny or doubt Him.” The most holy Tablet- Baha’u’llah

(*Bayán is the name of the Book that the Bab revealed)

Note that even today, after more than 2000 years, still some are awaiting the 1st coming of Messiah the King and many of them are still hopeful that what their mind imagined to come. I believe it's the same with regards to people who are waiting for return of Christ.

What is gradual about Jesus coming unannounced like a thief would come?
1st Thess 5vs2,3

I agree. The second coming was as a thief. As a thief who is in home, but the owner is unaware, because he is sleep. Meaning, when He comes people do not recognize Him, since they are sleep in their idle fancies. Even as it was said:

"Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping." Mark 13:37

"the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched" Mat. 24:43

Isn't a kingdom a government whose head is a king or a queen?

First note that "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation" Luke 17:21

Baha'u'llah said:

"We, of a certainty, have had no intent in the celestial Kingdom but to exalt His Cause and glorify His praise"

Bahá'u'lláh wrote that since for "each day there is a new problem and for every problem an expedient solution, such affairs should be referred to the Ministers of the House of Justice that they may act according to the needs and requirements of the time. They...are the recipients of divine inspiration from the unseen kingdom.


Therefore, Baha'u'llah established the Universal House of Justice who are the recipients of divine inspiration. If you like to know about the Universal House of Justice, I refer you to this link:

http://info.bahai.org/universal-house-of-justice.html#10
 
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InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
Rev 21vs 4,5 says. No death means there is no more sin.

I think we need to read from verse 1. I offer this quote:

"Notice how clear and evident it is that the first heaven and earth signify the former Law. For it is said that the first heaven and earth have passed away and there is no more sea—that is to say, that the earth is the place of judgment, and on this earth of judgment there is no sea, meaning that the teachings and the Law of God will entirely spread over the earth, and all men will enter the Cause of God, and the earth will be completely inhabited by believers; therefore, there will be no more sea, for the dwelling place and abode of man is the dry land. In other words, at that epoch the field of that Law will become the pleasure-ground of man. Such earth is solid; the feet do not slip upon it. " Abdulbaha - Some Answered Questions.

You can read the rest following this link:

Bahá'í Reference Library - Some Answered Questions, Pages 67-72
 

Maimonides

The mad Neuroscientist
There is a difference between: the pagan hell and the Bible hell.

Jesus was in the Bible hell as Acts [2vs27,31] states.

Jesus believed the Bible hell is the stone-cold common grave of mankind where the dead sleep the deep sleep of death until they are awakened on resurrection morning, or resurrected during Jesus millennial-long day of his reigning over earth. -John 11vs11-14


[Psalms 6v5; 13v3; 115v17; 146v4; Ecclesiastes 9v5,10; Daniel 12vs2,13]

You totally missed my point "christian."
 
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