God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!

[Ouroboros]

Human speech appears to have gradually evolved, but seems to have made a significant jump forward with the emergence of H.s.s. ("Cro-Magnon"), although even with them it seems to have grown slowly at first but accelerated tens of thousands of years ago.

The first hyoid bone akin to our modern one around 800,000 years ago. Most likely speech was very limited before that.

 

[Sapiens]

Yes, I do believe that sub-humans/(soulless-apes) did exist in the old Earth before the first human souls were created in Adam and Eve by God 6,000 years ago. I'm not aware of any civilizations with written texts or human languages that are believed to have existed earlier than 4,000 years before Christ.

But there are many items produced by people, older than that, that have survived including burials, tools, weapons, and sculpture.

 

[Ouroboros]

I can't believe there were humans who were chit-chatting a long time before written language was developed.

It's obvious they did. We know they did since there's been many native tribes in Africa, South America, North America, and other places before civilization took over where they spoke, communicated, but didn't have a written language. It's a fact that this is how it happened.

The hyoid bone that we have today that gives us the ability to speak came about around 800,000 years ago.

Also, I saw a program where they've done plastic prints of the inside of the skulls to analyze the brain structure on the fossils. The parts that are important for language, to speak and hear and understand, grammar, etc, evolved some time within 1 million years too (if I remember correctly). You can see that for instance how the suborbital constriction (my favorite) changes from Australopithecus and onwards to Homo. That gave room for ability to speak. The written language came very much later, and it started with symbols like in the cave paintings.

If there were people who could chit-chat, then they would have been smart enough to quickly figure out how to write down some of their ideas and thoughts from their conversations.

Uh. No.

Kids learn to speak before they learn to write. You can see the same development in children. And the written language has changed and gone through its own form of evolution.

 

[Salvador]

I don't think it's going to be possible to reconcile this view with what we know scientifically about the world, and I don't think it's necessary for Christian understanding that the Genesis account of creation be understood as history or in a literal way. Especially taking into account also what we know about the history of the texts. So it makes more sense in my opinion to understand Genesis in a different light than to try concoct an implausible literal creation story to try to bridge naturalistic and creationist accounts. Basically I think it is more productive to revisit how the text should be understood and what "biblical authority" and "inerrancy" means than to begin with a premise that the text describes events in a literal way and try to make that harmonize with what we know about the world.

I think the first chapter of Genesis makes sense to me when it's understood to be a literal narrative about the "recreation" of Earth. There are no scientific discoveries such as the old age of Earth or evolution that could disprove the first chapter of Genesis when it is understood that the first chapter of Genesis is intended to be a historical and literal narrative of how the Earth was "recreated;" whereas, if the First Chapter of Genesis is understood to be a literal narrative about the "creation" of Earth, then this literal understanding of the first chapter in Genesis is refuted by scientific discoveries such as evolution or the old age of the Earth.

 

[Jainarayan]

The first hyoid bone akin to our modern one around 800,000 years ago. Most likely speech was very limited before that.

I think there's a consensus now that Neanderthals did indeed talk. But they didn't sound like us because of the differences in the vocal tract.

 

[metis]

The first hyoid bone akin to our modern one around 800,000 years ago. Most likely speech was very limited before that.

Probably, and there's some comparison of the positioning of the throat that Neanderthal may have had more limitations in his speech than Hss.

 

[Salvador]

But there are many items produced by people, older than that, that have survived including burials, tools, weapons, and sculpture.

But there are many items produced by people, older than that, that have survived including burials, tools, weapons, and sculpture.

These primitive sculpture, tools, weapons you mentioned were made by soulless sub-human apes. I believe in the biblical Adam and his descendants as having souls who will have a spiritual existence beyond their bodily existences on Earth.

 

[Salvador]

I think there's a consensus now that Neanderthals did indeed talk. But they didn't sound like us because of the differences in the vocal tract.

It's obvious they did. We know they did since there's been many native tribes in Africa, South America, North America, and other places before civilization took over where they spoke, communicated, but didn't have a written language. It's a fact that this is how it happened.

The hyoid bone that we have today that gives us the ability to speak came about around 800,000 years ago.

Also, I saw a program where they've done plastic prints of the inside of the skulls to analyze the brain structure on the fossils. The parts that are important for language, to speak and hear and understand, grammar, etc, evolved some time within 1 million years too (if I remember correctly). You can see that for instance how the suborbital constriction (my favorite) changes from Australopithecus and onwards to Homo. That gave room for ability to speak. The written language came very much later, and it started with symbols like in the cave paintings.


Uh. No.

Kids learn to speak before they learn to write. You can see the same development in children. And the written language has changed and gone through its own form of evolution.

I think there's a consensus now that Neanderthals did indeed talk. But they didn't sound like us because of the differences in the vocal tract.

 

[Salvador]

I suppose we could debate about the speech capabilities of Neanderthals; but it doesn't change the fact that these soulless sub human apes were wiped out by God who replaced them with Adam and Eve and their descendants who have souls ( a spiritual existence beyond their bodily existences on Earth ) .

 

[metis]

There's virtually no way possible that one could determine that Neanderthals were soulless, and the fact is is that genome testing has shown that there's some Neanderthal genetic material. especially in Asian populations, although the percent is low.

 

[Marisa]

These primitive sculpture, tools, weapons you mentioned were made by soulless sub-human apes. I believe in the biblical Adam and his descendants as having souls who will have a spiritual existence beyond their bodily existences on Earth.

So basically what you are saying is that despite the voluminous amount of evidence to the contrary, you will dismiss it all in order to preserve your preferred world view. Because that's pretty much what you've done.

 

[Salvador]

There's virtually no way possible that one could determine that Neanderthals were soulless, and the fact is is that genome testing has shown up Neanderthal genetic material. especially in Asian populations, although the percent is low.

I believe that my God Yahweh may have inserted a little bit of Neanderthal DNA to form our common ancestors, the biblical Adam and Eve. However, I believe that the first living being on Earth to have a soul is Adam who will have a spiritual existence beyond his bodily existence on Earth.

 

[metis]

And I believe tomorrow will be a good enough day to get out of the house and go to the movies.

 

[Salvador]

So basically what you are saying is that despite the voluminous amount of evidence to the contrary, you will dismiss it all in order to preserve your preferred world view. Because that's pretty much what you've done.

Greetings, Marisa. It's not just my view, but a lot of people believe in souls that will give them a spiritual existence beyond their bodily existence on Earth. Don't you want to believe that all the descendants of the biblical Adam have souls which will give us a spiritual existence beyond our bodily existence on Earth?

 

[Ouroboros]

I think there's a consensus now that Neanderthals did indeed talk. But they didn't sound like us because of the differences in the vocal tract.

Agree. Considering that Neanderthals came to the scene some 600,000 years ago, I suspect they had a hyoid bone as well (without googling it to confirm ).

Probably, and there's some comparison of the positioning of the throat that Neanderthal may have had more limitations in his speech than Hss.

Doesn't surprise me. And I do believe that limited speech existed even earlier, like heidelbergensis. I'm not sure if they had a hyoid or not, perhaps a primitive one.

 

[Pegg]

I believe that the biblical story of creation doesn't describe God's original creation of Earth, but it actually describes the recreation of the Earth 6,000 years ago by God for the benefit of newly formed life who would have souls such as Adam, Eve and their descendants. I believe that according to the first few verses of Holy scripture in the book of Genesis, the Earth already had existed with water during the first day of its recreation. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters" - (Genesis 1:1-2)

I believe there was an older version of Earth that God had destroyed with a cloud of darkness and water, so that He could recreate the Earth with the right conditions for us humans who have souls. I think the first chapter of Genesis is widely misinterpreted as a narrative about the creation of Earth; whereas, it should be correctly interpreted as a narrative about the recreation of the Earth with more favorable conditions for human souls to exist. Does anybody else agree that the first few verses in the book of Genesis have been widely misinterpreted as a creation narrative; whereas, it should be correctly interpreted as a recreation narrative?

Yes. But i wouldnt say 'recreated'... i would say the genesis account is explaining the work carried out on the existing planet to prepare it for habitation.

And i wouldnt say it all happened 6,000 years ago. The final creation was that of mankind...and that happened just over 6,000 years ago. But prior to the creation of man, there were vast stretches of time spent preparing the earth with vegetation and animals.

 

[Marisa]

Greetings, Marisa. It's not just my view, but a lot of people believe in souls that will give them a spiritual existence beyond their bodily existence on Earth. Don't you want to believe that all the descendants of the biblical Adam have souls which will give us a spiritual existence beyond our bodily existence on Earth?

Why would I need to believe that?

But I think you missed my point, which was that each time you are presented with evidence which clearly invalidates your opinion, you classify it as not possible from a "souled" descendant of A&E, or of belonging to "souless" apes. In essence, you simply dismiss what negates in order to preserve.

 

[Ouroboros]

Greetings, Marisa. It's not just my view, but a lot of people believe in souls that will give them a spiritual existence beyond their bodily existence on Earth. Don't you want to believe that all the descendants of the biblical Adam have souls which will give us a spiritual existence beyond our bodily existence on Earth?

Since the cave paintings suggest a spiritual motive (animism and such) and the grave goods 100,000 years ago suggest thoughts about sacrifice or afterlife, I think it spirituality must've existed for some 100,000 years.

 

[Marisa]

And I believe tomorrow will be a good enough day to get out of the house and go to the movies.

I wish I live wherever you live. We're getting Icemegedon here.

 

[Jainarayan]

There's virtually no way possible that one could determine that Neanderthals were soulless, and the fact is is that genome testing has shown that there's some Neanderthal genetic material. especially in Asian populations, although the percent is low.

Modern humans have about 2.5 - 3% Neanderthal DNA.