God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!

[kepha31]

I'm inclined towards a local flood theory as opposed to a universal one. History of the Collapse of "Flood Geology" and a Young Earth by Davis A. Young, Ph.D., evangelical Christian geologist from Calvin College, is quite long, but it presents a reasonable approach. The following quotes are from the bottom of the page:

"...I do not consider it a violation of the integrity of the biblical text to suppose that the biblical flood account uses a major Mesopotamian event in order to make vital theological points concerning human depravity, faith, and obedience and divine judgment, grace, and mercy. The evangelical church serves no good end by clinging to failed interpretations of the Bible and refusing to explore new directions. Christian scholars have an obligation to lead the way toward a renewed reverence for God's truth wherever it can be found. Conservative scholars must develop a more aggressive attitude toward creation and encourage the church's youth to enter not only the pastorate, mission work, and theology but also such fields as the natural sciences, archeology, anthropology, and the social sciences..."

"...What marvelous insights into Scripture might await the church if from now on the theologians and exegetes would work side by side with biologists, archeologists, anthropologists, geologists, linguists, astronomers, sociologists, and paleontologists! In a world of burgeoning knowledge about ancient literature, languages, civilizations, culture, and customs as well as about the workings of God's creation, biblical scholars must engage in dialogue with other representatives of the intellectual world they profess to want to influence with the good news --

"the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David, and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord" (Rom 1:2-4).

 

[gnostic]

Oldest jewelry: 100,000 years ago.
Oldest astronomical circle: 7,000 years.
Bow and arrows: 8,000 years.
Containers and paint supplies: 100,000 years.
Maps: 14,000 years.
Alcohol consumptions: 9,000 years.
Calendar: 10,000 years.
Arrow heads: 77,000 years.
Cave paintings: 40,000 years.
Burial: 130,000 years.
Burial with grave goods (sprinkles of ochre, sign of sacrifice): 100,000 years.
First symbols of writing: 7,000 years ago.

Nothing fits 6,000 years limitation.

I would like to include pottery, 22,000 years ago, China.

Pottery were more frequently produced during the Neolithic period, but clearly it occurred in China, earlier than everyone expected.

 

[Windwalker]

I would like to include pottery, 22,000 years ago, China.

Pottery were more frequently produced during the Neolithic period, but clearly it occurred in China, earlier than everyone expected.

Sub-human apes were creating pottery too? Oh my, this is beginning to sound more and more like Planet of the Apes as we go along. I expect to see Charlton Heston come into this soon. Might he have been Adam?

 

[gnostic]

The humans of only 10,000 years ago were no different to humans of 6000 years ago, anatomically.

In fact they (of 10,000 years ago) are no different from today.

 

[Windwalker]

The humans of only 10,000 years ago were no different to humans of 6000 years ago, anatomically.

In fact they (of 10,000 years ago) are no different from today.

Not according to this claim: God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago! | Page 4 | ReligiousForums.com

 

[gnostic]

Sub-human apes were creating pottery too? Oh my, this is beginning to sound more and more like Planet of the Apes as we go along. I expect to see Charlton Heston come into this soon. Might he have been Adam?

They were not apes, windwalker. They were Homo sapiens sapiens, hence modern humans.

Modern humans (Homo sapiens sapiens) have been around for at least 30,000 years ago. Older species of human, or Homo sapiens have been around 200,000 years, at least.

 

[Windwalker]

They were not apes, windwalker. They were Homo sapiens sapiens, hence modern humans.

Modern humans (Homo sapiens sapiens) have been around for at least 30,000 years ago. Older species of human, or Homo sapiens have been around 200,000 years, at least.

I think you missed my post linking you to where he claimed there were. I don't claim that, for goodness sake, but he does! See post number 85 above. Click on the link in that post. You'll see....

(I've never heard such a claim and I was trying to point out the absurdity of it, to spell out the tongue-in-cheek humor I was making in my response to you).

 

[gnostic]

The Homo sapiens are true humans. The Homo sapiens sapiens (modern humans) are subspecies of Homo sapiens.

Homo sapiens are not subhuman, windwalker.

 

[Windwalker]

The Homo sapiens are true humans. The Homo sapiens sapiens (modern humans) are subspecies of Homo sapiens.

Homo sapiens are not subhuman, windwalker.

Are you joking with me? Do you not read what I say in my posts?

 

[Windwalker]

Here I'll spell it out. Here is what he claimed. Here are his words:

I don't doubt the existence of artifacts from sub-human apes whom God would not allow to have a spiritual existence beyond their bodily existence..

I do not claim this. I was making a joke about his claim. Get it now? I joked about them walking around wearing jewelry, creating maps, painting cave walls, and now, add to that making pottery. It's an absurd image. That was the point I was trying to make countering his claim.

Clear now?

 

[outhouse]

I'm inclined towards a local flood theory

And that is exactly what we see from the Euphrates overflowing its banks in 2900 BC leaving devastation in its wake.

 

[`mud]

Frigging amazing !!!
~
'mud

 

[gnostic]

My apologies, windwalker. :sorry1:

My very last post was 5 minutes to 4 in the morning, and at that point I went to bed. I must have missed some posts of yours. (posts 87, 89, 90)

And I don't do well at reading sarcasm, especially that late at night.

I feel embarrassed now that I have read your last few posts from last night.

I just woke up...and I don't think I am fully awake...yet. It's 9:20, now.

 

[Windwalker]

My apologies, windwalker. :sorry1:

My very last post was 5 minutes to 4 in the morning, and at that point I went to bed. I must have missed some posts of yours. (posts 87, 89, 90)

And I don't do well at reading sarcasm, especially that late at night.

I feel embarrassed now that I have read your last few posts from last night.

I just woke up...and I don't think I am fully awake...yet. It's 9:20, now.

That's okay. I'm just not used to anyone thinking I would make such arguments.

 

[gnostic]

I'm inclined towards a local flood theory as opposed to a universal one. History of the Collapse of "Flood Geology" and a Young Earth by Davis A. Young, Ph.D., evangelical Christian geologist from Calvin College, is quite long, but it presents a reasonable approach. The following quotes are from the bottom of the page:

Even with local flood, I would find the story of Noah don't make.

If it was local flood, then it would have better idea, to move his family, their animals, and other properties to higher ground, instead of constructing a very large vessel (the Ark) that he didn't really need.

He was a prophet and he had 100 years warning (according to Genesis 5:32, when he had his visitation & 7:6, when he boarded the ark), which is enough time to find and to move to a safe location.

The ark building would seem pointless if it was a local flood, don't you think?

 

[gnostic]

That's okay. I'm just not used to anyone thinking I would make such arguments.

Thank you.

 

[Salvador]

Even with local flood, I would find the story of Noah don't make.

If it was local flood, then it would have better idea, to move his family, their animals, and other properties to higher ground, instead of constructing a very large vessel (the Ark) that he didn't really need.

He was a prophet and he had 100 years warning (according to Genesis 5:32, when he had his visitation & 7:6, when he boarded the ark), which is enough time to find and to move to a safe location.

The ark building would seem pointless if it was a local flood, don't you think?

I believe that Noah's flood had covered the entire Eurasian continent and Africa, but it did not cover Australia or the Americas. Where was Noah without an Ark then to go?

 

[Salvador]

I'm inclined towards a local flood theory as opposed to a universal one. History of the Collapse of "Flood Geology" and a Young Earth by Davis A. Young, Ph.D., evangelical Christian geologist from Calvin College, is quite long, but it presents a reasonable approach. The following quotes are from the bottom of the page:

"...I do not consider it a violation of the integrity of the biblical text to suppose that the biblical flood account uses a major Mesopotamian event in order to make vital theological points concerning human depravity, faith, and obedience and divine judgment, grace, and mercy. The evangelical church serves no good end by clinging to failed interpretations of the Bible and refusing to explore new directions. Christian scholars have an obligation to lead the way toward a renewed reverence for God's truth wherever it can be found. Conservative scholars must develop a more aggressive attitude toward creation and encourage the church's youth to enter not only the pastorate, mission work, and theology but also such fields as the natural sciences, archeology, anthropology, and the social sciences..."

"...What marvelous insights into Scripture might await the church if from now on the theologians and exegetes would work side by side with biologists, archeologists, anthropologists, geologists, linguists, astronomers, sociologists, and paleontologists! In a world of burgeoning knowledge about ancient literature, languages, civilizations, culture, and customs as well as about the workings of God's creation, biblical scholars must engage in dialogue with other representatives of the intellectual world they profess to want to influence with the good news --

"the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David, and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord" (Rom 1:2-4).

 

[Salvador]

I agree with you that Noah's flood was not entirely global. For example, I doubt kangaroos in Australia, Indians in the Americas or penguins in Antarctica were affected by a catastrophic flood. However, I do believe that the biblical catastrophic flood had covered the entire Eurasia continent and Africa.

 

[Windwalker]

Thank you.

Although I do believe Noah's Ark was a local story about a UFO landing as it escaped their sun going ssupernova, hence consuming plasma became flood waters and so forth. It's biblical proof of exogenis.