God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!

[Salvador]

I would like to include pottery, 22,000 years ago, China.

Pottery were more frequently produced during the Neolithic period, but clearly it occurred in China, earlier than everyone expected.

There are non-human apes (bonobo apes) who can build fires and roast marshmallows.

Chimps use tools such as stones for hammers

or sticks as spears

Elephants have rituals around death

Elephant cognition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia There are many examples of animal- made art Animal-made art - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia There are chimps who can paint Animal-made art - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Elephants have rituals around death. Sub-human apes can make fire, primitive art, spears or tools. They can display empathy towards each other and they do grieve when an individual within their social animal group dies. I'm not surprised that animal-made art or tools are found to have existed in the world before God had recreated the Earth 6,000 years ago for humans to exist with God-given souls that will allow us humans to have a spiritual existence which is beyond our bodily existence. The God-given human soul is what differentiates humans from other apes or animals.

I would like to include pottery, 22,000 years ago, China.

Pottery were more frequently produced during the Neolithic period, but clearly it occurred in China, earlier than everyone expected.

 

[Marisa]

I agree with you that Noah's flood was not entirely global. For example, I doubt kangaroos in Australia, Indians in the Americas or penguins in Antarctica were affected by a catastrophic flood. However, I do believe that the biblical catastrophic flood had covered the entire Eurasia continent and Africa.

Do you believe that everyone alive today has a soul? And what do you think happened to humans after God magically gave souls to some?

 

[Ouroboros]

Although I do believe Noah's Ark was a local story about a UFO landing as it escaped their sun going ssupernova, hence consuming plasma became flood waters and so forth. It's biblical proof of exogenis.

Actually, I maintain still that it was Doctor Who, and the perception filter was set to make TARDIS look like an ark. Bigger on in the inside, and all that...

 

[Salvador]

Do you believe that everyone alive today has a soul? And what do you think happened to humans after God magically gave souls to some?

Greetings, Marisa. I believe that Adam, Eve and all their descendants have God-given :souls" which will allow them to have a spiritual existence that is beyond their bodily existence on Earth. I believe that there weren't any such "souls" on Earth before it was recreated 6,000 years ago. Also, I believe that Adam, Eve and their descendants are the only life forms who have souls. The Bible teaches that "man" is made in the image of God. ( Genesis 1:27 ) Furthermore, the Bible teaches that Adam is the son of God. ( Luke 3:28 )

 

[Marisa]

Greetings, Marisa. I believe that Adam, Eve and all their descendants have God-given :souls" which will allow them to have a spiritual existence that is beyond their bodily existence on Earth. I believe that there weren't any such "souls" on Earth before it was recreated 6,000 years ago. Also, I believe that Adam, Eve and their descendants are the only life forms who have souls. The Bible teaches that "man" is made in the image of God. ( Genesis 1:27 ) Furthermore, the Bible teaches that Adam is the son of God. ( Luke 3:28 )

Are aware that humans are apes?

 

[Salvador]

I think we can agree that apes are animals; whereas, humans are souls.

 

[Marisa]

I think we can agree that apes are animals; whereas, humans are souls.

Are you aware that humans are animals? Primates, of the ape family.


Here's your problem: prove souls exist. Without using the bible.

 

[Salvador]

Are aware that humans are apes?

Are you aware that humans are animals? Primates, of the ape family.


Here's your problem: prove souls exist. Without using the bible.

Excellent question, Marisa. I'm surprised that nobody has previously challenged my belief in the "soul". Well, I think that the resurrected Christ is evidence that "souls" can exist. The Shroud of Turin is photographic evidence for the resurrection of Christ.

 

[Windwalker]

There are non-human apes (bonobo apes) who can build fires and roast marshmallows.

Humans taught him how to do it. They did not discover how to on their own. Show me any animal that learned that independently. You can't.

Chimps use tools such as stones for hammers or sticks as spears

Sure, Ravens are great tool users to. But show me ANY that make jewelry and adorn themselves as part of cultural symbolism. Show me any that make maps. You can't.

Elephants have rituals around death

Sure, but they don't bury them with cultural artifacts! That shows a level of sophistication nowhere else in the animal kingdom. That other animal have emotion and grieve and have the use of tools only goes to show that evolution is true. We just took it to a whole new level. But you cannot say "sub-humans" made pottery, jewelry, maps, and so forth. Only humans have ever done this.

I'll continue....

There are many examples of animal- made art Animal-made art - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia There are chimps who can paint

Yeah, right None of this is representative art! Early cave drawing show animals and pictures of the hunt. Show me ANY animal that can do that, other than humans! You cannot.

BTW, we call it "art" that animals are doing only because it loosely resembles modern abstract expressionism. There is nothing in the strict sense of an sort of interior expression going on in these things that we largely have taught them to do, handing them paint and a brush! It's not truly "art". It represents nothing at all to them. Period.

Elephants have rituals around death. Sub-human apes can make fire, primitive art, spears or tools.

But not pottery, jewelry, maps, and a whole list of artifacts we have found predating Bishop Ussher's silly 6000 year old date for the earth. You argument is utterly void of support in your examples. Bishop Ussher is who you are trying to make fit mod

They can display empathy towards each other and they do grieve when an individual within their social animal group dies.

Sure! Yes, this proves evolution.

I'm not surprised that animal-made art or tools are found to have existed in the world before God had recreated the Earth 6,000 years ago for humans to exist with God-given souls that will allow us humans to have a spiritual existence which is beyond our bodily existence. The God-given human soul is what differentiates humans from other apes or animals.

But animals have empathy! You said this yourself. That's a soul, if there ever was one. How do you define the soul? How do you measure it?

 

[Marisa]

Excellent question, Marisa. I'm surprised that nobody has previously challenged my belief in the "soul". Well, I think that the resurrected Christ is evidence that "souls" can exist. The Shroud of Turin is photographic evidence for the resurrection of Christ.

That is not proven. I asked for proof.

Here's your problem: even if the shroud is christ's burial cloth, it has ZERO to do with souls. If souls exist, you do not need to rely on the bible for proof.

 

[Nietzsche]

Excellent question, Marisa. I'm surprised that nobody has previously challenged my belief in the "soul". Well, I think that the resurrected Christ is evidence that "souls" can exist. The Shroud of Turin is photographic evidence for the resurrection of Christ.

You might be interested to know, then, that the Shroud has been dated to have been made a few hundred years after the death of the Nazarene.

Greetings, Marisa. It's not just my view, but a lot of people believe in souls that will give them a spiritual existence beyond their bodily existence on Earth. Don't you want to believe that all the descendants of the biblical Adam have souls which will give us a spiritual existence beyond our bodily existence on Earth?

I want to believe I'm independently wealthy. I want to believe that when I go to sleep tonight, I don't wake up because of debilitating pain, or I don't wake up in pain, or even I simply don't wake up. I want to believe a lot of things. But reality gets in the way of that.

Also, about the humans thing;

We can't be only 6,000 years old. Anatomically Modern(that is, a human being that would be utterly indistinguishable both inside & outside from you or myself) Humans have been around, at the bare minimum, 150,000 years.

You roll back your 'recreation' date to roughly that rather than 6,000 and you might have an argument. I'm not saying that it would be true, but it would certainly be more plausible.

Well, as plausible as a story like this can be.

 

[Baladas]

I suppose that it could be possible, if one assumes that everything we know about the history of our planet is primarily false or an illusion.
I don't think I buy it.

 

[Salvador]

Humans taught him how to do it. They did not discover how to on their own. Show me any animal that learned that independently. You can't.


Sure, Ravens are great tool users to. But show me ANY that make jewelry and adorn themselves as part of cultural symbolism. Show me any that make maps. You can't.


Sure, but they don't bury them with cultural artifacts! That shows a level of sophistication nowhere else in the animal kingdom. That other animal have emotion and grieve and have the use of tools only goes to show that evolution is true. We just took it to a whole new level. But you cannot say "sub-humans" made pottery, jewelry, maps, and so forth. Only humans have ever done this.

I'll continue....


Yeah, right None of this is representative art! Early cave drawing show animals and pictures of the hunt. Show me ANY animal that can do that, other than humans! You cannot.

BTW, we call it "art" that animals are doing only because it loosely resembles modern abstract expressionism. There is nothing in the strict sense of an sort of interior expression going on in these things that we largely have taught them to do, handing them paint and a brush! It's not truly "art". It represents nothing at all to them. Period.


But not pottery, jewelry, maps, and a whole list of artifacts we have found predating Bishop Ussher's silly 6000 year old date for the earth. You argument is utterly void of support in your examples. Bishop Ussher is who you are trying to make fit mod


Sure! Yes, this proves evolution.


But animals have empathy! You said this yourself. That's a soul, if there ever was one. How do you define the soul? How do you measure it?

Greetings, Windwaker. Thank you very much for your informative and interesting comments. I believe that "soulless" Neanderthals could make representative art such as cave pictures, decorative jewelry or pottery. I do believe that Neanderthals were a highly evolved great ape species, but they were "soulless". They were a different species than us humans who have God-given "souls", which will allow us to have a spiritual existence that is beyond on our bodily existence. I do believe that sub-human apes such as Neanderthals or soulless Cro-Magnons were destroyed in the Old Earth; and subsequently, God replaced them in the recreated Earth 6,000 years ago with humans who have God-given "souls".

 

[Marisa]

Greetings, Windwaker. Thank you very much for your informative and interesting comments. I believe that "soulless" Neanderthals could make representative art such as cave pictures, decorative jewelry or pottery. I do believe that Neanderthals were a highly evolved great ape species, but they were "soulless". They were a different species than us humans who have God-given "souls", which will allow us to have a spiritual existence that is beyond on our bodily existence. I do believe that sub-human apes such as Neanderthals or soulless Cro-Magnons were destroyed in the Old Earth; and subsequently, God replaced them in the recreated Earth 6,000 years ago with humans who have God-given "souls".

Is it important to you that what you believe can be substantiated by fact, or at least doesn't align at the polar opposite of fact?

 

[Salvador]

Is it important to you that what you believe can be substantiated by fact, or at least doesn't align at the polar opposite of fact?

Marisa, near death experiences have provided evidence that humans have an afterlife. May I please suggest a movie " Heaven Is for Real", which is based off a true story about Colton Burpo who visited Heaven when he was a 4-year-old boy during his near death experience. While he was in Heaven, facts were revealed to him about his dead relatives that he could have only known about through divine revelation during his heavenly experience.

 

[Marisa]

Marisa, near death experiences have provided evidence that humans have an afterlife. May I please suggest a movie " Heaven Is for Real", which is based off a true story about Colton Burpo who visited Heaven when he was a 4-year-old boy during his near death experience. While he was in Heaven, facts were revealed to him about his dead relatives that he could have only known about through divine revelation during his heavenly experience.

Is it possible that you could answer the question you're asked, rather than the question you wish you'd been asked?

 

[outhouse]

humans are souls

unsubstantiated rhetoric

 

[JayJayDee]

near death experiences have provided evidence that humans have an afterlife. May I please suggest a movie " Heaven Is for Real", which is based off a true story about Colton Burpo who visited Heaven when he was a 4-year-old boy during his near death experience. While he was in Heaven, facts were revealed to him about his dead relatives that he could have only known about through divine revelation during his heavenly experience.

There could be another answer to to this situation.

The Bible actually forbids contact with the spirit world. Anyone who attempted to contact the spirits in Israel was to be cut off from his people. (Deut 18:9-12) These were the practices of the depraved people who inhabited the land of Canaan, and these spiritistic things were "detestable" to Jehovah.

Why would God forbid commuicating with spirits if they were just the spirits of our dead loved ones? Why would that be detestable?

When angels were used to communicate with humans, they presented as physical beings, never as spirits.
The spirit realm is inhabited by both good and bad spirits, according to the Bible. There are no spirits of dead people there, because there is no conscious existence after death. (Eccl 9:5, 10)

People "sleep" in death, like Lazarus. (John 11:11-14)

So the question to ask is, who wants us to believe that we live on after death in the spirit world, when the Bible has no such teaching?

If you go back to Eden, you will find that there was no afterlife even mentioned. (Gen 3:19) So those in the spirit realm attempting to influence the living, are not who you think they are. They have been around since before humans were created so they know everything about everyone.
They can provide the material for "near death experiences" as well as apparitions and the strange phenomena we call paranormal. So the "divine revelation" is not divine at all. The information is provided by deceptive spirits who masquerade as dead loved ones.

Contact with this world is not harmless and we are warned to have nothing to do with it for good reason.

 

[JayJayDee]

unsubstantiated rhetoric

No actually, humans are "souls".

Since the meaning of a "soul" is a living breathing creature, and animals are also called "souls" in the Bible....there is the substantiation. It is Christendom's definition of a soul that is the problem. It never meant a separate spiritual part of humans that departs the body at death.

Souls are mortal and they die. (Ezek 18:4)

 

[Nietzsche]

Marisa, near death experiences have provided evidence that humans have an afterlife. May I please suggest a movie " Heaven Is for Real", which is based off a true story about Colton Burpo who visited Heaven when he was a 4-year-old boy during his near death experience. While he was in Heaven, facts were revealed to him about his dead relatives that he could have only known about through divine revelation during his heavenly experience.

Question.

If near-death experiences are real, why do they line up with what the person already believes? Christians see Christian-inspired imagery, Muslims see Islamic-inspired imagery, Hindus see Hindu-inspired, so on and so forth.

Either NDEs are just the brain trying to remove the fear of death through releasing every happy-chemical in your head(seratonin, endorphins, ect) or they're real...and there are not only multiple Gods but there are multiple, mutually-exclusive Gods.