God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!

[outhouse]

It is you who are speculating....unless you can provide evidence that Moses never existed, your belief to that effect is pure speculation....

How honest is that?

You can throw away education and knowledge all you want. But your not showing this is only absence of evidence. Your just providing evidence of biased fanaticism.

 

[outhouse]

You have just confirm to me that are nothing more than apologist.

Exactly

NO amount of evidence goes in or out. Its just flat our refusal.

 

[outhouse]

there are some that claim there is evidence of Moses

YOU had to quote mine people who rode wagons to school to find that. And some means nothing your evidence that biased people refuse facts and education

Archeological discoveries have been made since then

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yes and look at how hard you keep refusing the evidence presented.


The fact the exodus is called a myth is strong evidence the biblical character never existed.

The fact you posted a guy who rode a horse to school and all of his work now overturned is evidence he was wrong.

The fact you posted William Dever who stated Israelites formed from displaced Canaanites peacefully, is strong evidence the biblical moses is mythology.

No credible scholar fights Israelites forming slowly after 1200 BC from displaces Canaanites.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah

Modern scholars therefore see Israel arising peacefully and internally from existing people in the highlands of Canaan

Listen to yourself....unsubstantiated rhetoric....not one piece of evidence that proves Moses was not a real entity....

 

[Ben Dhyan]

YOU had to quote mine people who rode wagons to school to find that. And some means nothing your evidence that biased people refuse facts and education

Archeological discoveries have been made since then

Unsubstantiated rhetoric....you have not provided any evidence that proves Moses was not a real entity....

 

[outhouse]

....not one piece of evidence that proves Moses was a real entity


And you just refuse evidence much like YEC refuse the facts of evolution.

 

[outhouse]

Listen to yourself....

Sorry we provide credible sources.

You bring wagon wheels to the table, and tell us its faster then a dragster.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

....not one piece of evidence that proves Moses was a real entity


And you just refuse evidence much like YEC refuse the facts of evolution.

...not one piece of evidence that proves Moses did not exist...

...and what for God's sake has evolution and YEC whatever that means have to do with Moses?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Sorry we provide credible sources.

You bring wagon wheels to the table, and tell us its faster then a dragster.

You have not provided proof that Moses did not exist...carrying on with unsubstantiated rhetoric does not count as proof...so as they...put up or **** **...

 

[Thief]

the nonbelievers will never accept a quote.....from anyone.....other than another nonbeliever

I prefer straightforward reasoning.....

Spirit first.

 

[gnostic]

Listen to yourself....unsubstantiated rhetoric....not one piece of evidence that proves Moses was not a real entity....

The only unsubstantiated rhetoric come from you, Ben.

You clearly don't see that logical statements doesn't necessarily mean "facts".

For logical statement to become FACT, you would require the statement to be supported by the evidences in which you, I and any expert can "verify" or "test".

Did you notice that I often words like "verifiable", "verify", "test", "testable", in relation to words like EVIDENCE or FACT. I used those words, because finding evidence is just half of establishing "fact".

The evidences or facts need to be tested, verified, because the evidences could go against any statement or claim made. The statement made could be wrong or false, and the "logic" or "reasoning" could be flawed or illogical. In this case, the statement or claim can be REFUTED.

In science, including the fields of archaeology and anthropology, any statement and explanation come under scrutiny, and no statement or explanation, until they are rigorously tested, therefore REFUTABILITY (also called FALSIFIABILITY) is paramount, in figuring what is true and what isn't true.

And the best way in figuring out what it is "true", objectively, come from finding evidences that will either verify statement being true, or refute if it is "false".

Dever's statement about there being mid-13th century "Moses-like" have no substances, no evidences, hence it is not a fact. His statement is that of unsubstantiated statement. Such (unsubstantiated) statement is just an expression of Dever's opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

You whine about "absence of evidences" about being fact, when you yourself cannot verify what you have claim. You are still an apologist.

Only apologists who are ignorant and petty will use "absence of evidences" argument equals to fact.

 

[Thief]

no test can be applied to God

 

[Ben Dhyan]

The only unsubstantiated rhetoric come from you, Ben.

You clearly don't see that logical statements doesn't necessarily mean "facts".

For logical statement to become FACT, you would require the statement to be supported by the evidences in which you, I and any expert can "verify" or "test".

Did you notice that I often words like "verifiable", "verify", "test", "testable", in relation to words like EVIDENCE or FACT. I used those words, because finding evidence is just half of establishing "fact".

The evidences or facts need to be tested, verified, because the evidences could go against any statement or claim made. The statement made could be wrong or false, and the "logic" or "reasoning" could be flawed or illogical. In this case, the statement or claim can be REFUTED.

In science, including the fields of archaeology and anthropology, any statement and explanation come under scrutiny, and no statement or explanation, until they are rigorously tested, therefore REFUTABILITY (also called FALSIFIABILITY) is paramount, in figuring what is true and what isn't true.

And the best way in figuring out what it is "true", objectively, come from finding evidences that will either verify statement being true, or refute if it is "false".

Dever's statement about there being mid-13th century "Moses-like" have no substances, no evidences, hence it is not a fact. His statement is that of unsubstantiated statement. Such (unsubstantiated) statement is just an expression of Dever's opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

You whine about "absence of evidences" about being fact, when you yourself cannot verify what you have claim. You are still an apologist.

Only apologists who are ignorant and petty will use "absence of evidences" argument equals to fact.

Until you provide proof that Moses did not exist.....you are left with mere speculative belief...no rationality at all.....

 

[Thief]

lots of believers are rational

I think repeated call for evidence about God is irrational

 

[Ben Dhyan]

no test can be applied to God

True....but the blind can not see.....

 

[Unification]

How honest is that?

You can throw away education and knowledge all you want. But your not showing this is only absence of evidence. Your just providing evidence of biased fanaticism.

It's pretty honest. It's not possible to know if Moses existed or not. How honest are you being by saying that you know with having zero evidence?
Any claims he did or didn't are unsubstantiated and have zero evidence. Falls under "belief or faith" either way.

Now the things Moses did, obviously when viewed literally, historically, and exoterically it is mythology. If Moses existed... The exodus, and everything Moses did could have happened internally using ancient symbolism.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

lots of believers are rational

I think repeated call for evidence about God is irratioal

Indeed it is....irrationality is being too kind....

 

[Thief]

It's pretty honest. It's not possible to know if Moses existed or not. How honest are you being by saying that you know with having zero evidence?
Any claims he did or didn't are unsubstantiated and have zero evidence. Falls under "belief or faith" either way.

Now the things Moses did, obviously when viewed literally, historically, and exoterically it is mythology. If Moses existed... The exodus, and everything Moses did could have happened internally using ancient symbolism.

consider taking Moses...his name.....his storyline.....and everything else attributed to him....
out of all recall
no mention or reference at all.....

can't really DO that ......can you?

seems the so called 'myth' is well substantiated.
LOTS of substance!

 

[gnostic]

the nonbelievers will never accept a quote.....from anyone.....other than another nonbeliever

I prefer straightforward reasoning.....

Spirit first.

Wow...do you stereotype people much?

Sorry, but many Christians (believers) don't believe everything in the bible literally (like the Genesis or Exodus), or as historical records, would disagree with your own personal interpretation.

These non-literal believers - Christians - see that values of the allegories of the creation, flood, the patriarchs, Moses in the messages or meanings within the stories, not in the historicity of those books.

They are like Jesus' parables. His parables come from the moral lessons you can learn from them, not the accurate history of nameless characters.

The values in the Eden story come from its meanings or moral lessons can learn from it, for instances,

1. obey God, or risk punishment for disobeying,
2. or take responsibility for one's own action (Adam blamed Eve, and Eve blamed the talking serpent),
3. the mythological origin of life and death, is a common theme for most religious myths.

There are no evidences to support the 6-day creation, the creation of man from dirt, or the existence of garden of Eden, Adam and Eve, and the talking serpent, so it shouldn't be treated as history.

Similarly, there are no evidences to support Noah and the (global) Flood, Moses and the exodus, and Joshua and conquest of Canaan.

Over the decades, there were lot of hoaxes and misinformation from various creationists and believers. Like the supposed discovery of the Ark, the discovery of skeletal remains of Giants (or nephilim, the supposed offspring of angels or sons of gods or the watchers, in Genesis 6:1:4).

 

[Unification]

consider taking Moses...his name.....his storyline.....and everything else attributed to him....
out of all recall
no mention or reference at all.....

can't really DO that ......can you?

seems the so called 'myth' is well substantiated.
LOTS of substance!

I can write a letter right now.

Let's say my name is Moses.

It's all about an exodus of slavery. The escape of "something" I am mentally enslaved to.

Let's say that the "something" I am enslaved to is "pride." It causes me to be arrogant and I would love an exodus/escape from this arrogant pride.

I live in literal America. In the letter I will call my peaceful thoughts "Americans."

In my letter, I will call my arrogant prideful thoughts "Canadians." The ruler of the Canadians is my prideful ego, which I will call Pharoah.

No matter how much intuitive advice came my way, I wouldn't listen. I didn't want to die to my ego and my prideful arrogance or admit blame and being wrong. I held on at all costs. Even if I was suffering and plagued by my own prideful arrogance.
Finally I had enough, I let go of my hardened heart and surrendered.

The Americans in my mind are enslaved by the Canadians. I have to kill every firstborn thought in my mind that led me to arrogant pride in order to free the Americans from the bondage of pride.

I feel this sudden rush within me, my red blood is flowing differently throughout my brain. It's as if my mind were parted and waters were rushing through me. My brain was like a burning bush feeling some sort of energetic rush. The Americans were let go while my arrogant pride was flooded and destroyed. In my letter I used snakes and rods, but really I was talking about my spinal cord.

A few thousands years from now, there are people believing that literal Canadians were actually holding Americans as slaves and that Americans escaped by a literal red sea parting and people even arguing over poetic myth of symbolism I used for something that is both exoterically myth but poetically inward and true. Both true and false simultaneously.

Better yet, I used the name Moses because it meant "to draw from water" and the energy I felt within me felt like it was drawn from water. My real name was Dan.