outhouse
Atheistically
That's not an example you have ever shown any of us.
You have wallowed not stop in pseudoscience and mythology proselytizing a faith you seem to know little about and ANY academic level.
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God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!
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That's not an example you have ever shown any of us.
You have wallowed not stop in pseudoscience and mythology proselytizing a faith you seem to know little about and ANY academic level.
No, No young Earth. Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 is how God views time. Not how long the creative days were.
There is Nothing in Genesis to even say that each of the creative days were of the same or of differing lengths of time.
Please notice Hebrews 4:4-11 because God's 7th-day rest day was still on going in Paul's day. That ' day ' was well past a thousand-year day.
Since God is Not limited by time as we now are, then God can view the passing of a thousand years as a mere span of a day.
gnostic
The Lost One
The following verses say that you are wrong:
Genesis 1:5 said:
Genesis 1:8 said:
Genesis 1:13 said:
Genesis 1:19 said:
Genesis 1:23 said:
Genesis 1:31 said:
It never cease to amaze me how dishonest young creationists can be. They selectively cherry pick verses, ignoring what is right in their bloody faces, distorting what they read.
The Hebrew word - yom - may be vague, and refer to any period of time, BUT it is "And there was evening and there was morning" which provide the context for yom to mean "day" for each of those 6 verses.
It is "And there was evening and there was morning" that provide yom with specific period of time, hence yom is equaled to one "day".
It say the 1st day (Genesis 1:3:5) is one "evening" and one "morning"; it does not say a "day" is "one thousand years".
And the first sentence to Genesis 1:5, clearly state "light" is "day" and "darkness" in "night", in which evening relates to "night" and "darkness" and morning to "day" and "light". Night and day, evening and morning clearly referred to day, and not a thousand years in this verse, and 5 successive verses in Genesis 1.
Genesis 1 doesn't say anything about a thousand years, so what Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 have to say, are irrelevant to Genesis 1.
If the context of Genesis 1 actually mean a thousand years, then Genesis 1:5 and others (verses 8, 13, 19, 23 & 31) should read as -
possible and proposed YEC's rewrite of Genesis 1 said:
This would have more accurate to your claim of one-day = one-thousand-year, but not the way it is written now in Genesis 1.
Read what's in bloody front of you, instead of seeking meaning in other unrelated books.
Since the Genesis was a tale for the children,
I don't think the kids would appreciate longer periods than 'days'.
Remember, story tales, and babies falling from trees,
and if I die before I wake.....stuff like that !
Like Thief says....spirit before truth, and life is just stuff.
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'mud
I don't think the kids would appreciate longer periods than 'days'.
Remember, story tales, and babies falling from trees,
and if I die before I wake.....stuff like that !
Like Thief says....spirit before truth, and life is just stuff.
~
'mud
Thief
Rogue Theologian
a morning to God would be quite different.....
so what? if Moses.....and you....don't get it
Thief
Rogue Theologian
God created movement.
Man created time (a means of calculation)
and we (Man) do not posses the power of creation
we do not form anything of substance or force.
that belongs to God
Thief
Rogue Theologian
you just love that word.....substantiated...
don't you?
McBell
Unbound
It is a bain of faith.
But you already know that.
McBell
Unbound
You are correct.
I disagree.
Faith is the bane to truth,.
Faith is the bane to reality.
You demonstrate both extremely well.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
McBell
Unbound
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
So God created movement without time. Movement in space that all can happen at once, not in sequence (because that would demand the existence of time).
And man created time, but man can't create, so he didn't create time, and therefore time doesn't exist...
Ok. That's your view. We're just in disagreement there.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Man created time.
we need the measure to help us understand the movement
oh!....the everyday use of the word ....create.... is confusing you.....
For clarity.....there is one Creator
we call ourselves creative.....but we are using the term loosely when we do
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Or, maybe you are wrong and Moses and I are right.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
you AND Moses.....?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
That's what YOU claimed. That me and Moses were in the same boat. Thought it was odd myself, but I'm used to that kind of stuff coming from you at this point.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
but are you of the same frame of mind?
(and you know that's what I meant)
can't see the difference?
your hours of the morning.....compared to the eons of God's morning
gnostic
The Lost One
Oh, that's great...You have been twisting the verses out of context, with "day" and "thousand years", and now you think that "morning" is not "morning" and trying to twist this word too.It is not just irrational, it is stupid, for a lack of better word, and completely dishonest.
If Genesis wanted to call it "eon", then it should be written "eon". If the author wanted to say "a thousand years", what to stop him from writing "a thousand years" or a "millennium". Is the author so bloody stupid that he can't use the right word for what he mean?
No, the author is not stupid. It is these Young Earth bloody creationists, who like to twist verses to mean something that it doesn't say.
What make you even think that God's heaven even have "morning", "evening", "day", etc?
Day and night, morning and evening, are very specific and tie to what we experienced on Earth, in relation to the Sun. Depending on which parts of the Earth is facing the sun, we get daylight, sunshine, whatever you want to call, while on the other side of the Earth, there is darkness, called night. The Earth rotate on its axis, so the Sun shine where the planet face this star. So cycle of day-and-night make up one complete day. Night ends, when the sun begin to shine on its, and we call this period of time, morning.
Likewise, the year is measurement of period of 365.2421897 days, for the Earth to revolve around the Sun, in one complete cycle. Genesis even talk about the cycle of seasons for each year, but nowhere does it say anything about a thousand year or a millennium.
If God's heaven don't require the heaven to rotate on its axis or face a star, then why bother to use words like day and night, or morning and evening? Using words like day and night and other references of period of time, would be pointless, if there are such things as God or heaven.
Does heaven even experience evening or darkness?
Does heaven needs to orbit around a star? If not, then why even use year, which is very specific measure of time on Earth?
The stupidity is coming from creationists using Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 in regarding to reinterpreting to the meaning of time in Genesis 1, is that creationists are still using words that we use to measure time, on Earth.
How stupid is that?
It is very stupid, and not to forget, bloody dishonest.
You think you are so clever, Thief, but you coming off as one who is neither honest, nor bright.