God simply doesn't care

[Thief]

Then you have to have a 'hell' of some sort. Otherwise it's hardly a matter of 'judgment'.

I think of hell as continuance of life....in a situation where you could end up with people like yourself...
and you find you don't like it.....a lot.

Would that be your sense of judgment and it's consequence....?
Or judgment of Someone Greater and enforces the lines you made for yourself?

 

[Desert Snake]

I think of hell as continuance of life....in a situation where you could end up with people like yourself...
and you find you don't like it.....a lot.

Would that be your sense of judgment and it's consequence....?
Or judgment of Someone Greater and enforces the lines you made for yourself?

Could be. that's 'plausible', but I'm not really sure it would 'work' or make sense for truly heinous people. 'Hell', as opposed to purgatory, is not a 'normal' place.

 

[Thief]

Could be. that's 'plausible', but I'm not really sure it would 'work' or make sense for truly heinous people. 'Hell', as opposed to purgatory, is not a 'normal' place.

I believe in cause and effect.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you....
Is a code of behavior....and fair warning.

 

[Desert Snake]

Could be. We run the risk of becoming some sort of automatons if everything is controlled like that, imo.

 

[Thief]

Could be. We run the risk of becoming some sort of automatons if everything is controlled like that, imo.

I'm also participating in a thread about freewill.

I believe we end up as own our will did lead.
(unless of course you 'follow' a form of personal restraint)

I say....your sense of self denial defines your character.
What you refrain of doing shows what you 'will do'...and what you won't.

 

[Yeshe Dondrub]

Rather then worrying so much if you are saved, or if god cares, shift focus on caring yourself.

Simple believing you are saved and others are going to suffer is being selfish. Believing you are right and they are wrong is ego. Not being compassionate of all regardless of what they believe is without merit.

If more would put aside their attachments, desires, and negative ego, and work towards compassionate actions without a need to gain something for themselves, we wouldn't need to focus on if "God" cares or not.

One thing is certain, this precious human existence you know will end as it is now. IT doesn't matter if you believe you will be transformed and ascend into heaven, inherit a new earth, or ascend as an enlightened being. What are you doing now for benefit of others?

 

[kjw47]

So it is a story that describes a seriously possible scenario........

In reality--If a person was in heaven and could look down and see a loved one suffering or anyone suffering--it would fill that ones heart with pain---Gods word promised--no more pain in his kingdom, proving symbolism.

 

[Thief]

In reality--If a person was in heaven and could look down and see a loved one suffering or anyone suffering--it would fill that ones heart with pain---Gods word promised--no more pain in his kingdom, proving symbolism.

Nay....
The former things shall pass.....
As for the spirit you are.....you shall always possess the ability to grieve.

(check my thread...Angelic Apathy)

 

[kjw47]

Nay....
The former things shall pass.....
As for the spirit you are.....you shall always possess the ability to grieve.

(check my thread...Angelic Apathy)

144,000 are bought from the earth-Rev 14:3== this is the little flock--the bride of Christ---
As for the great multitude Jesus taught--Blessed are the meek for they( great multitude) will inherit the EARTH.( mortal)
When are you taught this reality? The many trinity based religions I attended in my search didn't teach this truth from Jesus. Many of his real important ones aren't taught by them.

 

[Robert Landbeck]

Then when god finally decided to set his plan of salvation into motion it was like molasses running downhill in winter.
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That would suggest that the 'original teaching' which Christ proclaimed did not take root! The question is whether God failed man or man failed God? I came across the following quote that suggests an answer. " If there is any religious truth that is self evident, it must be this: It is not God who failed man, it is man who failed God, himself and his fellow man. That is the way of the world"

Religions exist but whether they have anything to do with God is unknown. Faith and tradition remain a theological constructs. Given that within the existing scriptural record, both canonical and non, [and who know what more may be discovered], there are several hundred passages of warning of false teaching, false interpretation, anti-Christs and arch deceivers, etc, etc. It must be the case that there are individuals, organizations and institutions offering a counterfeit salvation. And the means of knowing the difference between what is true and what is not has yet to be revealed. No doubt when it is, there will be considerable gnashing of teeth.

 

[jreedmx]

If God exists and there is no life after death then just being alive now is a gift and a blessing. If God exists then it really doesn't matter what we believe because God has His own reality which is different from ours. We are in continual development and evolution. People think that humanity has already evolved but it may not be so. It seems to me humanity is still in the process of evolution and since we have developed the external structure and environment for society we still have to evolve our care and concern for each other. As time goes on the collective conscience develops. But essentially I think we are on our own. If God gave us life then it's our own responsibility to make it work - not Gods. When people blame God or wonder why God allows evil to continue they don't appreciate their own life and are putting off the responsibility onto others - namely the creator Himself. We can't transfer the responsibility for our behaviour onto something else like a scapegoat. We have to just focus on ourselves and our own state of heart and mind. No body can influence change in another person unless it is a result of self acknowledgement or realization through our own inspiration and thinking and heart and also interaction with other people. Why should God even help us. If you look at humanity as a whole then we have a lot to do before anyone can trust us and want to do that. It's like interpersonal relationships. Why would we want to associate with others who are abusive and uncaring. You can only go so far in relationships - it's a two way street. It's enough for me that there is a creator and I have life and are able to interact with other goood people. OPinions, beliefs, doctrines, religions, frameworks are secondary to relationships.

 

[Skwim]

That would suggest that the 'original teaching' which Christ proclaimed did not take root!

No. Saying that it was like molasses NEVER running downhill in winter would imply it never took root..

The question is whether God failed man or man failed God? I came across the following quote that suggests an answer. " If there is any religious truth that is self evident, it must be this: It is not God who failed man, it is man who failed God, himself and his fellow man. That is the way of the world"

Kind of cherry picked that one right off the tree. The answer as I see it is that :

1) God created humans, and even foreseeing the mistake his first two creations would make, let them go ahead and do just that.

2) God then saw fit to saddle everyone who was to follow with the punishment due these two creatures. Kind of like blaming all Germans, no matter where they lived, for the atrocities of Adolf Hitler.

3) God then devises a plan by which some people could cheat this punishment, but doesn't put it into action for about 4,000 years, thereby letting millions of people suffer his punishment.

4) Moreover, when god finally does put his plan into operation he keeps it very geographically isolated, thus insuring that only a few hear of the opportunity to avoid punishment.

5) But the plan isn't all that persuasive, making sure that only some of those who hear of it are convinced of its need and efficacy.

6) Thus the spread and reception of his plan is only slowly adopted, like molasses running downhill in winter.

7) Even today his plan is easily dismissed because of its inherent faults, leaving a significant number of people unconvinced of its truth, and in turn insuring such doubters end up being punished for the mistake two individuals made 6,000 years ago.

So, any failure is squarely on god's shoulders. He's the one who made the rules and dealt the cards, AND only left so many seats for players. HE failed to make it possible that everyone had a fair chance to play and a shot at winning.

Religions exist but whether they have anything to do with God is unknown.

Can't one look at them and make such a call? I would think this would be a no-brainer.

Faith and tradition remain a theological constructs.

But not exclusively so.

 

[Skwim]

If God exists and there is no life after death then just being alive now is a gift and a blessing.

Care to ask . . . .

many of whom won't make it to their next birthday?

If God gave us life then it's our own responsibility to make it work - not Gods.

Think

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Garrett will?

When people blame God or wonder why God allows evil to continue they don't appreciate their own life and are putting off the responsibility onto others - namely the creator Himself.

And why shouldn't he be to blame? After all, he's the one who created evil.

• • Isaiah 45:7
  • I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Why should God even help us.

For the same reason that we expect anyone who does us wrong to make up for it.

 

[Thief]

If God exists and there is no life after death then just being alive now is a gift and a blessing. If God exists then it really doesn't matter what we believe because God has His own reality which is different from ours. We are in continual development and evolution. People think that humanity has already evolved but it may not be so. It seems to me humanity is still in the process of evolution and since we have developed the external structure and environment for society we still have to evolve our care and concern for each other. As time goes on the collective conscience develops. But essentially I think we are on our own. If God gave us life then it's our own responsibility to make it work - not Gods. When people blame God or wonder why God allows evil to continue they don't appreciate their own life and are putting off the responsibility onto others - namely the creator Himself. We can't transfer the responsibility for our behaviour onto something else like a scapegoat. We have to just focus on ourselves and our own state of heart and mind. No body can influence change in another person unless it is a result of self acknowledgement or realization through our own inspiration and thinking and heart and also interaction with other people. Why should God even help us. If you look at humanity as a whole then we have a lot to do before anyone can trust us and want to do that. It's like interpersonal relationships. Why would we want to associate with others who are abusive and uncaring. You can only go so far in relationships - it's a two way street. It's enough for me that there is a creator and I have life and are able to interact with other goood people. OPinions, beliefs, doctrines, religions, frameworks are secondary to relationships.

It appears we have a lot in common.

 

[Thief]

Care to ask . . . .

Think

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And why shouldn't he be to blame? After all, he's the one who created evil.

• • Isaiah 45:7
  • I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

For the same reason that we expect anyone who does us wrong to make up for it.

Your quote here is a topic unto itself.
Care to post as such?...and let me know!

 

[Skwim]

Your quote here is a topic unto itself.
Care to post as such?...and let me know!

Be my guest, make an OP and run with it. If it follows along the same lines as my post I'm sure I'll be throwing in my two cents.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

So has anyone identified any tangible evidence that God cares?

 

[Thief]

So has anyone identified any tangible evidence that God cares?

We have the prophets and the scribes.
(see the story of the rich man and Lazarus)

 

[rrosskopf]

It's a problem because following this logic God knowingly created a creature with the capacity for great evil and violence. And a creature so physically flawed that great suffering would be inevitable. Why on earth would a loving God set things up like that? It makes God look like an evil scientist setting up a horrible experiment - then stepping back from the suffering he has created.

God himself has the capacity, if not the inclination, for "great evil and violence". What kind of a life would we have if we were born without arms (with which we can hit), or without intelligence (with which we could do more than hit)? Without agency, we couldn't learn, we couldn't choose righteousness, we couldn't even conceive of righteousness. The capacity for evil is not a flaw! Eye sight isn't bad just because a bright light can cause suffering. Hearing isn't bad just because a loud noise can cause suffering. Taste isn't bad, just because a Ghost Pepper can cause suffering. The ability to perceive the world in which we live is inseparably connected to the probability of suffering. We have to know the bad to appreciate the good.

 

[rrosskopf]

So has anyone identified any tangible evidence that God cares?

The world is a beautiful place. God has sent prophets to teach us how to live happily. The Book of Mormon is truly
" a marvelous work and a wonder".