God simply doesn't care

[Skwim]

That's nice, but not one of these statements is from a doctrinal source. I just find it kind of strange that you would focus on something so trivial that it is virtually never even mentioned in the Church, when there is so much about Mormonism that, while you may not agree with it, you would hardly find "weird." Trust me, if I wanted to know what Mormons believe, the Almighty Wiki would hardly be my first choice of sources.

When people are willing to simply set aside these peripheral doctrines (such as Kolob) and focus on our core doctrines, they come away with a completely different level of understanding and, yes, respect for the religion. As a matter of fact, the thing that draws me to Mormonism is how completely rational and logical the LDS understanding of God's Plan of Salvation is when compared to that of other Christian denominations.

"Focus"? All I did was make the following innocent observation: "One of the stranger things I've read about Mormon belief is their planet or star Kolob, which may be the residence of god. . . . . . . . . " You're the one here who's going on about it as if I was attacking your religion. A little over defensive perhaps? Or maybe a sore spot?

 

[Sapiens]

Yeah, well, different strokes for different folks, as they say. As far as I'm concerned, though, any religion that teaches that Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God and the only means by which mankind can be reconciled to the Father is only "unrecognizable as a form of Christianity" to people with who have a very narrow-minded view of what Christianity is.

That would be most of the non-LDS Christians on Earth

 

[Thief]

Actually, there isn't any unless you claim he's some kind of benevolent, loving, merciful, and all-powerful deity.

I would counter....God has taken action on previous occasion.
There is legend if not record.

Are you asking for more of the same?

 

[Skwim]

I would counter....God has taken action on previous occasion.

Just what kind of action do you see that saves god from the comdenation his other efforts I mentioned beg for: laying misery on an entire species of creatures and then providing a cure that is so confined and works so slowly it only affects a pitiful percentage of them?

 

[Thief]

Just what kind of action do you see that saves god from the comdenation his other efforts I mentioned beg for: laying misery on an entire species of creatures and then providing a cure that is so confined and works so slowly it only affects a pitiful percentage of them?

God gave Man dominion.
He is waiting to see if we come to our better senses.

Forming unique spirit is not an intervention process.
Occasions are needed now and then...such as that garden event......

But for the most part....it's up to us to resist the evil within....and then without.

(I don't throw stones....I sharpen my sword with them)

 

[Katzpur]

"Focus"? All I did was make the following innocent observation: "One of the stranger things I've read about Mormon belief is their planet or star Kolob, which may be the residence of god. . . . . . . . . " You're the one here who's going on about it as if I was attacking your religion. A little over defensive perhaps? Or maybe a sore spot?

I don't think there's anything for me to be defensive about, and I can't even imagine why a discussion of Kolob would be a sore spot with me. You made an observation, and I followed up with my own observation -- that Kolob is such an trivial point of Mormon doctrine that I'm surprised you would bring up the subject on not just one, but two different threads.

 

[Katzpur]

That would be most of the non-LDS Christians on Earth

Well, I can't disagree with you there.

 

[Skwim]

God gave Man dominion.
He is waiting to see if we come to our better senses.

Forming unique spirit is not an intervention process.
Occasions are needed now and then...such as that garden event......

But for the most part....it's up to us to resist the evil within....and then without.

(I don't throw stones....I sharpen my sword with them)

More irrelevant blather. FYI, it hasn't passed my notice that you often pointedly avoid answering questions in preference to going on about some other issue. Hardly speaks well for your integrity. That aside I have to ask another---it's rhetorical so you don't have to be concerned with thinking of a way not to address it. Given that god is omniscient (knows absolutely everything) how is it he has to wait to see if we come to our senses? Any omniscient deity worth his wait in praise and adoration already knows if humanity will ever come to its senses.

 

[kjw47]

"Many will have an opportunity to learn"? Not All? Again, evidently god isn't letting everyone in to his party. Moreover, learning of this everlasting life or not, all these poor souls have been spending their time in hell. Sorry, but your "solution" here still doesn't absolve god of his lack of caring.

An eternal place of suffering is an impossibility. It is a lie taught by teachers of darkness--you are listening to the wrong people.
Yes those who stood in opposition to Jehovah probably wont be invited.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

God gave Man dominion.....He will stand back.
How is that a problem?

It's a problem because following this logic God knowingly created a creature with the capacity for great evil and violence. And a creature so physically flawed that great suffering would be inevitable. Why on earth would a loving God set things up like that? It makes God look like an evil scientist setting up a horrible experiment - then stepping back from the suffering he has created.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Going back to the OP it would be interesting to hear of any tangible evidence that God does care. I don't see any.

 

[Thief]

It's a problem because following this logic God knowingly created a creature with the capacity for great evil and violence. And a creature so physically flawed that great suffering would be inevitable. Why on earth would a loving God set things up like that? It makes God look like an evil scientist setting up a horrible experiment - then stepping back from the suffering he has created.

So...you don't have the spirit to suffer?
Too bad.

Think it's tough here do you?

 

[Thief]

More irrelevant blather. FYI, it hasn't passed my notice that you often pointedly avoid answering questions in preference to going on about some other issue. Hardly speaks well for your integrity. That aside I have to ask another---it's rhetorical so you don't have to be concerned with thinking of a way not to address it. Given that god is omniscient (knows absolutely everything) how is it he has to wait to see if we come to our senses? Any omniscient deity worth his wait in praise and adoration already knows if humanity will ever come to its senses.

And you would prefer Someone Else banging around in your skull?
or you DO hear Voices and prefer to ignore them?

Wait til your dead!
Here in this life we type you read.
If you were closer....we could talk face to face.

The dead do none of this.
Communication will be directly mind to mind...heart to heart.

We enter this world naked....we go before heaven the same way.

Think you can hide what you really are?

How about you just give it up?.....go ahead and be the apathetic nonbeliever.
No worry ....right?
No problem......

To answer your question even more directly....
If Heaven WAS banging about in your thoughts....you wouldn't have freewill.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Think it's tough here do you?

Yes, I do, there is much suffering inherent in human existence. Cancer, disease, ageing, death, poverty, hunger, war, genocide, crime, rape, child abuse etc etc.
What I am asking is why a supposedly loving God would set things up like this. It makes God look like a sadist.

 

[Thief]

Yes, I do, there is much suffering inherent in human existence. Cancer, disease, ageing, death, poverty, hunger, war, genocide, crime, rape, child abuse etc etc.
What I am asking is why a supposedly loving God would set things up like this. It makes God look like a sadist.

So you don't believe God gave Man dominion?
You actually expect 'something' over your head acting like a baby sitter?
(Saw a Star Trek episode like that)

 

[Rick O'Shez]

You're still not answering my question.

 

[Thief]

I think you only want your own answer.

 

[Skwim]

An eternal place of suffering is an impossibility.

Why? Aren't all things possible with god?

It is a lie taught by teachers of darkness--you are listening to the wrong people.
Yes those who stood in opposition to Jehovah probably wont be invited.

So, speaking about those excluded from the "many," what happens to them?

 

[Skwim]

And you would prefer Someone Else banging around in your skull?
or you DO hear Voices and prefer to ignore them?

Wait til your dead!
Here in this life we type you read.
If you were closer....we could talk face to face.

The dead do none of this.
Communication will be directly mind to mind...heart to heart.

We enter this world naked....we go before heaven the same way.

Think you can hide what you really are?

How about you just give it up?.....go ahead and be the apathetic nonbeliever.
No worry ....right?
No problem......

To answer your question even more directly....
If Heaven WAS banging about in your thoughts....you wouldn't have freewill.

And you call yourself a theologian. May as well call yourself king of the universe.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I think you only want your own answer.

No, I just want a straight answer to a straight question, not continual evasion and counter-questions. It's like trying to have a discussion with a dodgy politician who won't give a straight answer.