God the Programmer

[PolyHedral]

Think of it this way:

Before the split, all that existed was 0. Now, after the split, we exist in the anti-reality of negative integers, and the reality, "God," exists in the reality of positive integers.

But the integers are not contained within 0, so that's probably not what you meant.

 

[JP of PA]

But the integers are not contained within 0, so that's probably not what you meant.

How do you know the integers aren't contained within 0?

0 is both a nothing and a something. It is undefinable. It is the "middle ground" of infinite positive and negative integers. Integers are infinity, and infinitiy is likwise undefinable, just as 0 is undefinable. And since integers are infinity, and infinity can not be "contained" within anything, and infinity can not technically have a "middle ground," then 0 and the infinite sum of all integers, both being undefinable, are in fact, one.

All is one. And all are one. This is the truth that is hidden by the illusion of earthly existence, and separateness, and division.

 

[PolyHedral]

How do you know the integers aren't contained within 0?

Because 0 is a subset of the integers. A subset cannot contain a superset.

infinity can not be "contained" within anything, and infinity can not technically have a "middle ground," then 0 and the infinite sum of all integers, both being undefinable, are in fact, one.

...Did you just try to prove that 0 == aleph null? (Aleph null is the size of the integers) And both the size of the set of integers and 0 are perfectly well defined.

 

[JP of PA]

a male only gains a distinction from females by females being present. there is much more to being a man than not being a female, particularly when you ignore the gender specificity and focus on what makes you an individual. if i'm following you correctly then the word 'god' simply means 'not creation' and there's nothing more to it. 'god' is a gender?

you are also going off of the assumption that there was no such thing as hermaphrodite or an asexual reproducer. sexual reproduction (requiring two gendered partners) is a relatively new practice in comparison to other species' means of repopulating. what makes you so sure that the supreme entity would choose to model his own creative process after ours?

Sorry, I missed this post.

It's not that the Supreme Entity modeled its creative process after ours. Our (human) creative process is just a natural overflow of what Is. Remember, we are a reflection of what Is. Therefore, all that we do and think is one with the Universal Mind of God, and has its source in the Universal Mind of God. This shows us that the whole human "free will" debate is missing the totality of truth. Yes, we have "free will," but we are all bound by one mind. We are all one. We are merely existing in an illusion of being separate.

When we, as people, use our imaginations, our minds, to create a story, all the characters within that story are separate within our own minds, and yet, none of those characters does or says or things anything that is not generated by our own minds. It is the same way with us in the mind of God.

God is both male and female, and is yet neither. This is why there are creatures that asexually reproduce, and hermaphrodites, and creatures that reproduce by way of male/female union. Everything is a natural expression of God in some way. When the Eternal was undivided, it had nothing to "mate" with. At the moment creation happened, male and female sprang to life. But It had to first split as an entity unto Itself.

 

[JP of PA]

Because 0 is a subset of the integers. A subset cannot contain a superset.


...Did you just try to prove that 0 == aleph null? (Aleph null is the size of the integers) And both the size of the set of integers and 0 are perfectly well defined.

No, what I DID just prove is that numbers and division is just an illusion. Infinity can not be divided or multiplied. It's infinity. it's an undivided grand existence that can not be labeled or classified or categorizied. Integers are divisions, numbers are lables, that go on forever. It doesn't harmonize. This is an anti-reality.

Infinity is reality. Numbers are not.

 

[PolyHedral]

If everything exists within God, why can I suppose contradictions? And why are there problems that have no answer?

it's an undivided grand existence that can not be labeled or classified or categorizied.

And that's where the mathematicians object. The Continuum Hypothesis has been around for around 150 years, and it describes how different sizes of infinity relate to each other.

 

[JP of PA]

If everything exists within God, why can I suppose contradictions? And why are there problems that have no answer?


And that's where the mathematicians object. The Continuum Hypothesis has been around for around 150 years, and it describes how different sizes of infinity relate to each other.

Hypothesis being the key word. "Hypothesies" and "Theories" are nothing other than earthy man's continous searching after the wind and attempts to label and define things that can't be labeled or defined. Earthly man can not comprehend infinity so he seeks to divide, categorize, or label it. Suppose this "hypothesis" does get "proven," or suppose the quantum realities theory somehow gets proven, what then?

Have you ever noticed how within science, or philosophy, or anything in life that we search out, for every question that gets answered, there springs forth a multitude of new unanswerable questions? Why do you think this is so?

It's because there is no absolute truth in this earthly existence in which we live.

The reality is, Ultimate Truth is unspeakable.

 

[PolyHedral]

Hypothesis being the key word. "Hypothesies" and "Theories" are nothing other than earthy man's continous searching after the wind and attempts to label and define things that can't be labeled or defined.

...Except in mathematics, where these concepts are entirely, rigidly defined.

Earthly man can not comprehend infinity so he seeks to divide, categorize, or label it. Suppose this "hypothesis" does get "proven," or suppose the quantum realities theory somehow gets proven, what then?

Then some infinities will be bigger than others. Infinity will be categorized, and understood.

Have you ever noticed how within science, or philosophy, or anything in life that we search out, for every question that gets answered, there springs forth a multitude of new unanswerable questions? Why do you think this is so?

Because we expect answers where there don't need to be any.

It's because there is no absolute truth in this earthly existence in which we live. The reality is, Ultimate Truth is unspeakable.

But I know the ultimate truth: ¬(P^¬P) This cannot be false. Somewhat more seriously, the "ultimate truth" could be treated as the holy grail of physics research: the Theory of Everything. If we ever actually found one, it would explain the entire universe, with no exception. There would no more scientific questions that could not (theoretically) be answered.

 

[Willamena]

You don't really actually need to know the code to program a sentient being because we're not controlling the sentient beings with the code we're adding; just their environment. I don't see how that could possibly lead to a contradiction.

But without controlling the sentient being part of the program, any environment, even one that by all appearances should produce contentment, could produce suffering. This is has been a theme of science fiction for a long time (Star Trek and Logan's Run come to mind).

 

[PolyHedral]

Then we do not understand the sentient being well enough.

 

[JP of PA]

...Except in mathematics, where these concepts are entirely, rigidly defined.


Then some infinities will be bigger than others. Infinity will be categorized, and understood.


Because we expect answers where there don't need to be any.


But I know the ultimate truth: ¬(P^¬P) This cannot be false. Somewhat more seriously, the "ultimate truth" could be treated as the holy grail of physics research: the Theory of Everything. If we ever actually found one, it would explain the entire universe, with no exception. There would no more scientific questions that could not (theoretically) be answered.

Basically, what this all consumates at is - God is everything. People try to use science, or philosophy, or psychology to disprove God. But this is impossible because God IS science, and philosophy, and psychology, and everything.

There is no such thing as an atheist. God is all, and all is God. If a person believes he exists, he believes in God. God is not only a personality, he is thought. What is mathematics, and science, and philosophy, and psychology? They are thought. God is thought. We are thought. We are God.

This is why we can't "blame God" for the way things are. We are all a part of the Universal Consciousness that has chosen for things to be this way. Even as we humans wish to have "free will," we are just an overflow of the Eternal who wished to have "free will." The only way "free will" could exist is by the existence of a possibility to choose good or evil.

But, being as how we have felt the need to separate and divide ourselves, there is coming a time when those who have chosen evil, who and only lived this earthly life to sow earthly seeds will reap nothing, and be in poverty. Earthly wealth will mean nothing then. Only those who have sown heavenly seeds will have wealth.

Those who choose to deny a belief in the divine, who remain bound by the earthly carnal self, will have nothing. This will happen when "anti-reality" flips into reality. This is also known as the "return of Christ." Everyone reaps what they sow. Our earthly harvesting process is just a small scale representation of the higher truth of sowing and reaping.

 

[PolyHedral]

God is not only a personality, he is thought.

But some thoughts are contradictory. Therefore, God is logically inconsistent, and cannot exist.

 

[Willamena]

Rumpledstiltskin!

Basically, what this all consumates at is - God is everything. People try to use science, or philosophy, or psychology to disprove God. But this is impossible because God IS science, and philosophy, and psychology, and everything.

There is no such thing as an atheist. God is all, and all is God. If a person believes he exists, he believes in God. God is not only a personality, he is thought. What is mathematics, and science, and philosophy, and psychology? They are thought. God is thought. We are thought. We are God.

This is why we can't "blame God" for the way things are. We are all a part of the Universal Consciousness that has chosen for things to be this way. Even as we humans wish to have "free will," we are just an overflow of the Eternal who wished to have "free will." The only way "free will" could exist is by the existence of a possibility to choose good or evil.

But, being as how we have felt the need to separate and divide ourselves, there is coming a time when those who have chosen evil, who and only lived this earthly life to sow earthly seeds will reap nothing, and be in poverty. Earthly wealth will mean nothing then. Only those who have sown heavenly seeds will have wealth.

Those who choose to deny a belief in the divine, who remain bound by the earthly carnal self, will have nothing. This will happen when "anti-reality" flips into reality. This is also known as the "return of Christ." Everyone reaps what they sow. Our earthly harvesting process is just a small scale representation of the higher truth of sowing and reaping.

Does this telling reflect any organized religion's, or is it something of your own?

 

[Reptillian]

It occurs to me that any sentient being might not be happy no matter how perfect the world it lives in. A sentient being can live in a paradise and still find flaw. Since the world is being created by a being that is itself governed by a greater truth, then any reality it creates must be limited in some ways by that truth and the nature of the being creating it. Lucifer even had a problem with heaven.

"The mind is its own place, and in it self. Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n." - John Milton "Paradise Lost"

 

[Meow Mix]

It occurs to me that any sentient being might not be happy no matter how perfect the world it lives in. A sentient being can live in a paradise and still find flaw. Since the world is being created by a being that is itself governed by a greater truth, then any reality it creates must be limited in some ways by that truth and the nature of the being creating it. Lucifer even had a problem with heaven.

"The mind is its own place, and in it self. Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n." - John Milton "Paradise Lost"

Even if so, some possible worlds are clearly better than others.

 

[Thief]

Even if so, some possible worlds are clearly better than others.

Even so...
you have this world to deal with.

The discussion of theology should be aimed at dealing with the next world.

Think you can take your numbers with you?

 

[PolyHedral]

If they are accurate, yes. That is the whole point.

 

[Meow Mix]

Even so...
you have this world to deal with.

The discussion of theology should be aimed at dealing with the next world.

Think you can take your numbers with you?

The point is that suffering in this world is incompatible with the idea of an omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent god.

i.e., such a god can't exist because there is a contradiction.

That's the question that theists are unable to answer without special pleading fallacies -- you yourself have dodged it on several occasions with red herrings. It must be a real toughie.

 

[Thief]

The point is that suffering in this world is incompatible with the idea of an omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent god.

i.e., such a god can't exist because there is a contradiction.

That's the question that theists are unable to answer without special pleading fallacies -- you yourself have dodged it on several occasions with red herrings. It must be a real toughie.

The red herring accusation isn't working.

Your questions are getting answered.
You don't like the answers.

Of course there are contradictions.
You actually expect God to smile on everything?

It's in the program....the instruction manual...everyday living...

Do unto others as you would them do unto you.
Your denial will be met with denial.

Benevolence to unbelievers?...why and to what end?

 

[Meow Mix]

The red herring accusation isn't working.

Your questions are getting answered.
You don't like the answers.

I've never once seen an answer that wasn't blatantly fallacious or non sequitor.

Of course there are contradictions.
You actually expect God to smile on everything?

There are contradictions as in logical contradictions, as in such a god can't exist.

It's in the program....the instruction manual...everyday living...

Do unto others as you would them do unto you.
Your denial will be met with denial.

Benevolence to unbelievers?...why and to what end?

Why? Because that's the definition of benevolence. If you had a child that didn't know you existed would you press a red button to fire missiles at them? Of course not. Don't be ridiculous.