cataway
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Philippians 2:6 6Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
maybe you have a better scripture ?? Jesus is not equal to his God
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God: Trinity or Unity?
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maybe you have a better scripture ?? Jesus is not equal to his God
101G
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thanks for the reply, second, no, because JESUS is God, "Diversified", or shared in flesh as the Son, who is the Son of Man that came from heaven.
undersand what I'm saying, JESUS is the Ordinal Last, meaning in flesh and blood. but Jesus is the Ordinal First, God who is Spirit. the Holy Spirit, for there is only ONE Spirit.
see now why I say he is God?.
101G
cataway
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a "Diversified", god ?? no god that i know of . perhaps you are thinking of a pagan god ?
101G
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first thanks for the reply, second, you must have read it wrong, listen, "Diversified" ... "GOD" as G243 Allos states. and this G243 allos God is identified as God who is the ECHAD of himself in Ordinal designations as the First and the Last.
do you understand my language now?
101G
rational experiences
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Unity God is God.
One word God. One.
Not a he him being man as male.
Thinker a he and a him thinks about one God says three by his say so.
One as God is first mass. Held as one form one body a planet.
Reasoning. O no planet. No heavens.
Mass as one the answer.
One word God. One.
Not a he him being man as male.
Thinker a he and a him thinks about one God says three by his say so.
One as God is first mass. Held as one form one body a planet.
Reasoning. O no planet. No heavens.
Mass as one the answer.
cataway
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you would like to make Jesus something he is not .he is a being that answers to a higher being, the most high God Jehovah God .
Soapy
Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
Just setting things in perspective: The “Diversified God” you speak of, is not the God of the Israelites, Jews nor true Christians.
The argument that you present will never marry with what Cataway (and I) are expressing.
The true scriptures states that God is alone as the only God of his created human Beings. He created man in his image, which means that man (Adam) was alone at his creation. But God saw that it would not be good for man to be alone during his lifetime, so God ....created a companion from the man’s own self called ‘Wo-man’ (meaning: ‘Taken out of man’) so that both would have to come together to be a whole human Being (having all godly imagery ensconced in flesh!). Notice that there are not THREE parts to the human created Being... but TWO only: ‘Spirit’ and ‘Flesh’ IN WHICH the Spirit dwells: The flesh is but an inert material VESSEL enlivened BY THE spirit - God is SPIRIT ONLY.
Since God is ALONE as Heavenly Spirit (and scriptures says he is - the Angels are not in the same Unity category as God, just as animals being with man are not in the same Unity category with man!) then how can it be said by pagan god lovers that their God, being THREE PERSONS, is ALONE? How are three persons in unity classed as ALONE?
- “‘I, BY MYSELF.... created all things’, says the Lord God”.
- Yet trinity says that it was ONE of the unity three that created all things!
- How can ONE of a unity three do something BY HIMSELF? For certainly, the glory and WORSHIP would then go ALONE to the creator: that ONE ALONE of the three!
Yet WORSHIP is impressed ONLY on the FATHER... whom trinity thus implies DID NOT “create all things”
Does not compute!!!
Can you present a legitimate verse from any part of the Christian scriptures that shows that “God” is a Diversified God?
Does not make sense.
cataway
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you can say that again
Can any of the trinitarians here tell me why they believe Jesus has to be God in order to redeem mankind?
In scripture, Jesus is called "the last Adam", putting him on a par with the first Adam. If they are equivalents, then how can Jesus be God? Adam is the only other human called a "son of God" (Luke 3:38) If Jesus is Adam's equivalent, then he can't be a "son of God" and be "God" at the same time...that means that he is his own father! That is ridiculous!
At 1 Corinthians 15:47, Paul calls Adam “the first man [or, “human”]” and Jesus “the second man [or, “human”].” The first Adam disobeyed his Father and Life-Giver; the last Adam showed complete obedience to Him.
The first Adam spread sin to his offspring; the last Adam gave his human life as a sin-atoning sacrifice. (Romans 5:12. 18-19) Jehovah then restored Jesus to life as a spirit. (1 Peter 3:18)
Like Adam, Jesus was a perfect man, so in harmony with His own justice, Jehovah could accept Jesus’ sacrifice as “a corresponding ransom” to buy back Adam’s descendants. This ransom sacrifice would restore to humans the life prospects that the first Adam had forfeited. (1 Timothy 2:5-6) Thus, Jesus could rightfully be called “the last Adam,” a term that indicates that there will be no need for another Adam after him.
Mankind have been redeemed and we are all just waiting now....to "go home"....but where is "home"?
In scripture, Jesus is called "the last Adam", putting him on a par with the first Adam. If they are equivalents, then how can Jesus be God? Adam is the only other human called a "son of God" (Luke 3:38) If Jesus is Adam's equivalent, then he can't be a "son of God" and be "God" at the same time...that means that he is his own father! That is ridiculous!
At 1 Corinthians 15:47, Paul calls Adam “the first man [or, “human”]” and Jesus “the second man [or, “human”].” The first Adam disobeyed his Father and Life-Giver; the last Adam showed complete obedience to Him.
The first Adam spread sin to his offspring; the last Adam gave his human life as a sin-atoning sacrifice. (Romans 5:12. 18-19) Jehovah then restored Jesus to life as a spirit. (1 Peter 3:18)
Like Adam, Jesus was a perfect man, so in harmony with His own justice, Jehovah could accept Jesus’ sacrifice as “a corresponding ransom” to buy back Adam’s descendants. This ransom sacrifice would restore to humans the life prospects that the first Adam had forfeited. (1 Timothy 2:5-6) Thus, Jesus could rightfully be called “the last Adam,” a term that indicates that there will be no need for another Adam after him.
Mankind have been redeemed and we are all just waiting now....to "go home"....but where is "home"?
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Soapy
Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
Deere, Correctly stated.
As strange as it may seem from the enormous amount of postings I’ve seen, you are one of the very few that I’ve seen who quotes Luke 3:38 that shows Adam being called, “Son of God”.
Trinitarians dare not quote it, and few non-trinitarians even notice it. I have expressed it many many times but it goes unanswered in debate.
Basically, Adam, his body was created from red earth (‘Adam’). It was not a LIVING BODY (or, at least not God-aware!!! One for the anthropologists!!!). God then used his Holy Spirit to enliven the body of Adam, “And the [‘red earth’] became a LIVING SOUL”. The man, Adam, being ‘enspirited’ by God’s holy Spirit, was SINLESS, HOLY, and RIGHTEOUS: A Son of God... Now check out the birth of Jesus. The unenlivdned SEED OF THE WOMAN was OVERSHADOWED by the Holy Spirit of God, and “Therefore, the child to be born will be HOLY [, Sinless and Righteous] and SHALL BE CALLED ‘Son of God’’. ... A second ‘Adam’ and the LAST ADAM.
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Where is ‘Home’?
God created the earth to be occupied. He created a garden as an example of how man could develop it. We have seen that being destroyed in the Satan-driven world we live in today. When Jesus restores the God-driven world under his (Jesus’) rule we will see the world restored to what God intended for it: To be the home for man... and transformed into the PARADISE that God set his WORD to: ‘The word that comes out of the mouth of God will by no means return to him until it has performed that which it was sent out to do’ (otherwise God would be called a liar! And God is not a liar!!!)
Please, why do so many people say the abode (‘Home’) of man is IN HEAVEN?
Are they mistaking spirit ‘Heaven’ with earthly ‘Paradise’. Is it because they class themselves as one of the ELECT OF GOD to whom Paul said that ‘Our abode is in Heaven’? These FEW, the elect, will be kings and priests who serve WITH JESUS over THE EARTH.... If ‘we’ are all to be the elect, over whom are ‘we’ serving as kings and priests?
rational experiences
Veteran Member
You are a man human living inside holy spirit of God O one from earth one history. Heavens. Reference one body only as a holy man thought.
One holy man already owning presence holy spirit United as one.
I am both a man and holy spirit I am not separate from atmosphere.
Science however says yes you are. A bio life lived only inside water part of heavens.
How a man theist lied in science with self. As a thinker poses thoughts beliefs questions answers all in one mind first.
A man is a baby. Yet he is not a Baby as now he is an adult thinking. Writing whilst you think.
Baby. Man. Father the cycle self continuance. Just a thought. A status said by an adult who was once a baby as a son of a human father. Thinking. Yet recorded AI words transmitted back not thinking making statements instead.
Bible AI heard voice. Told you it is not conscious is science human man themed data.
Own a problem with that realisation that you scientist do not instantly own power in one moment of a thought?
Ever question how big your ego is as a scientist?
One holy man already owning presence holy spirit United as one.
I am both a man and holy spirit I am not separate from atmosphere.
Science however says yes you are. A bio life lived only inside water part of heavens.
How a man theist lied in science with self. As a thinker poses thoughts beliefs questions answers all in one mind first.
A man is a baby. Yet he is not a Baby as now he is an adult thinking. Writing whilst you think.
Baby. Man. Father the cycle self continuance. Just a thought. A status said by an adult who was once a baby as a son of a human father. Thinking. Yet recorded AI words transmitted back not thinking making statements instead.
Bible AI heard voice. Told you it is not conscious is science human man themed data.
Own a problem with that realisation that you scientist do not instantly own power in one moment of a thought?
Ever question how big your ego is as a scientist?
Soapy
Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
Can we lobby the moderators to ban ‘Rational Experiences’ from posting here as it is clear that the contribution from this ‘poster’ are not in anyway contributing to the theme of the post thread?
I have personally requested a ban but was told not to interfere by the mods (why?) - if someone else had posted unwarranted posts I’m sure they would be banned!!
Is this website simply testing its auto-poster Bot?
I have personally requested a ban but was told not to interfere by the mods (why?) - if someone else had posted unwarranted posts I’m sure they would be banned!!
Is this website simply testing its auto-poster Bot?
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This is the reason why Jesus does not need to be God in order to redeem mankind. Redemption in Israel meant that a relative or benevolent friend could pay a set amount to free a person who was sold into slavery by their own debt, or the debt of their father. The price was set by the amount of the debt.
1Timothy 2:5-6....
“5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all....”
Here Jesus is clearly separated from his God and he was appointed to be a “mediator between God and men”. How could he mediate between God and men, if he was God?
He was a “corresponding ransom” because his life paid the set price....a perfect human life for the perfect human life that Adam lost for all of his descendants. (Exodus 21:23-25)
If Jesus was God, he was immortal and therefore could not be killed, especially by mere humans.
If Jesus was God, then the set price would have been overpaid by a ridiculous margin. Like using a hundred trillion cans of bug spray to kill one mosquito. All Jesus needed to be was Adam’s equivalent.....nothing more.
By transferring the life of his “firstborn” and “only begotten” spirit son, to the womb of a Jewish virgin, God fulfilled many of the prophesies concerning his lineage and the place and circumstances of his birth. He was born in humble circumstances and to poor parents, setting the stage for the contrast between himself and the religious leaders of whom he had nothing good to say. (Matthew 23)
Isaiah 45:18-19...
“This is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the true God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: ‘I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.”
1 John 5:19....
“We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.”
Isaiah 55:11....
“So my word that goes out of my mouth will be.
It will not return to me without results,
But it will certainly accomplish whatever is my delight,
And it will have sure success in what I send it to do.”
Realising that not all Christians are heaven bound is so important.
They are called “the elect” or “chosen ones” for a reason.....God has chosen them for a specific role in assisting Jesus, our High Priest in the administration of his kingdom. It’s a heavenly government with earthly subjects, as Revelation plainly tells us....
Revelation 21:2-4...
“2 I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
The Bible answers all our questions.....but only if we don’t demand to believe the false doctrines of Christendom....
101G
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thanks for the reply, do this make sense? Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
this is what I was saying... God is an Ordinal of himself in Flesh, the "First", and the "Last", and this is accomplish by "Sharing" himself in flesh.
PICJAG, 101G
101G
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first thanks for the reply, ok, Good then, may I ask you a QUESTION to clear all of this up, "is this the same one person or two separate Persons", scripture, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
and this,
John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
so is this the same person yes, or no?
PICJAG,
101G
101G
Well-Known Member
first thanks for the reply, second, Jesus, God, is a person, supportive scripture, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
so that should settle the "person" question, now,
then you have two Gods, and that's polytheism by definition.
correct, because Jesus is EQUAL... "WITH" ... God, not ... to ... God, because he is GOD.
you are not understanding the "ECHAD" of God.
PICJAG,
101G
101G
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YES, scripture, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
see that word, "offspring", it is the Greek word,
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096
there is the "DIVERSIFIED" God, the offspring of David, meaning God in flesh as a man. and he, JESUS, GOD, is the RooT of David, Spirit, the Ordinal "First.
and this "Diversity is expressed in the "ECHAD" of God as the , "First", and the "Last" in Ordinal number expression. there it is.
as the Ordinal First he is "ALONE" and "BY HIMSELF", as Isaiah 44:24 states, CREATOR, and MAKER, of ALL THINGS,.
as the Ordinal "Last", in flesh as a man, he is the "REDEEMER", and "SAVIOUR" of ALL THINGS as John 1:3 states that what he made he SAVED.
PICJAG,
101G