First Baseman
Retired athlete
He is way out there, Slayer. Way out there.
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
God VS Evil
- Thread starter Nefelie
- Start date
He is way out there, Slayer. Way out there.
Nefelie
Member
Who is?
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Neo Deist
Luciferi Baphomet
Lucifer, is my Liberator
If god created evil then why do christians want to get rid of evil? It seems sort of confusing.
Agondonter
Active Member
Sheesh. And I thought that the issue was dead and buried along with anthropomorphism.
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
Luciferi Baphomet
Lucifer, is my Liberator
I see.Same with gays and liberals, it's perplexing!
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
That does not consider God's purpose.
God can do all of that -but we all can not yet.
Essentially, God has already set in motion that which completely eradicate evil -by perfecting those who do evil.
Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rom 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
1Pe 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
Last edited:
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
^^ignore list^^ [Why do you constantly demean people? My wife is a practicing Catholic, and she very much lives out what the faith teaches in terms of love, compassion, and fairness to others. I used to teach theology, but no religion or denomination I've ever run across teaches its congregants to act like you all too frequently act. Let me recommend you get the very excellent book "Imitation of Christ" by Thomas Kempis, as it especially deals with how one should act. Goodbye]
Kartari
Active Member
Hi Rival,
Aside from the lack of evidence for deities' existence, this is precisely the fundamental problem I find with Christian and similar monotheistic theologies in particular. Believers like to wiggle all over the place, but the fact remains that a deity capable of omnipotence, omniscience, and supreme benevolence is, logically speaking, entirely incompatible with reality as we know it.
Aside from the lack of evidence for deities' existence, this is precisely the fundamental problem I find with Christian and similar monotheistic theologies in particular. Believers like to wiggle all over the place, but the fact remains that a deity capable of omnipotence, omniscience, and supreme benevolence is, logically speaking, entirely incompatible with reality as we know it.
Kartari
Active Member
Hi ThirtyThree,
Nonetheless (and the "lack of evidence for deities'" issue aside for the sake of debate), such a deity in possession of supreme benevolence, omniscience, and omnipotence cannot logically exist. What exactly would logic consist of anyway if not going by human standards, other than vague fantasy?
Nonetheless (and the "lack of evidence for deities'" issue aside for the sake of debate), such a deity in possession of supreme benevolence, omniscience, and omnipotence cannot logically exist. What exactly would logic consist of anyway if not going by human standards, other than vague fantasy?
Kartari
Active Member
Hi Neo Deist,
Alas, the "free will" argument is illogical when more deeply considered. The problem with this line of thinking is that God, presumably capable of creating a wiser race of sentient beings than the present (or past) crop of humans, could have actually done so without compromising freedom. Purposely making a race of people too stupid to realize that placing their hands in open flames burns them, when purposely making a race of people too smart to place their hands willingly into an open flame is within God's purview of possibilities, makes the free will argument an entirely moot point.
Not to mention, it makes God look either insane or sadistic.
Alas, the "free will" argument is illogical when more deeply considered. The problem with this line of thinking is that God, presumably capable of creating a wiser race of sentient beings than the present (or past) crop of humans, could have actually done so without compromising freedom. Purposely making a race of people too stupid to realize that placing their hands in open flames burns them, when purposely making a race of people too smart to place their hands willingly into an open flame is within God's purview of possibilities, makes the free will argument an entirely moot point.
Not to mention, it makes God look either insane or sadistic.
ThirtyThree
Well-Known Member
Greetings,
I do not believe the debate regarding the existence or non existence of an omnimax deity can be won.
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
No, it's not.
Jehovah never does wicked or evil things. So Isaiah 45:7 has been more properly translated; "I form light and create darkness,I make peace and create calamity; I, Jehovah, am doing all these things." Jehovah rightly brings calamity upon the wicked, such as the ten plagues he brought on Egypt. However, I believe nothing Jehovah does is bad or unrighteous, or "evil", which is defined as "profoundly immoral and malevolent."
We have the choice to be good or evil. Adam was created perfect, without any trace of sin, but with the ability of moral choice. Sadly, Adam proved disloyal, in contrast with the perfect man Jesus Christ, who proved perfect in his integrity. (Hebrews 4:15)
First Baseman
Retired athlete
No, actually it is Christian to point out that a person who serves Satan is not in the light.
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
Being the author of all evil doesn't constitute doing an evil thing?
If you create evil itself, that has to be the most evil deed possible.
Why do you believe God created evil? The Bible doesn't teach that. For example, James 1:13 says; "When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone."
This is one of those issues where the Bible really is the Big Book of Multiple Choice. On the issue of war, the Bible is an echo chamber: put any opinion into it and the same opinion will come out "endorsed by God." I'm glad you decided to read a pacifist interpretation into the Bible.