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God vs. Scientists

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Enoch07

Enoch07

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themadhair said:
Science, in and of itself, can’t do anything. The knowledge and technology gained can, depending on the user, cause great harm or great good. This is really obvious and I suspect that most people simply thought your point was silly.

If you want to play the numbers game you will have to include water purification technologies, medicines and the Haber process in the calculation. You will find that science has saved the lives of billions of people over and people have killed using its technology.
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Very true. Religion, in and of itself, can't do anything either. But in the hands of the wrong person it can be a deadly tool the same as science. So why is it that atheist want to blame religion for killing people, and not counting the good it has done. But when science is put to the same test, they make sure the good is emphasized, compared to the harm it has caused. Interesting findings here. Thanks
 
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Enoch07 said:
So why is it that atheist want to blame religion for killing people, and not counting the good it has done. But when science is put to the same test, they make sure the good is emphasized, compared to the harm it has caused.
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I’m still waiting to hear of a single solitary good thing ever done by religion that cannot also be done by a secularist. Because I can name plenty of good things done using science that cannot be done with religion (Haber process). I’m also still waiting to hear of a terrible thing done by a religious person that cannot also be done by a secularist, but there you go.

I happen to think this argument about science and religion being good/evil in and of themselves is pointless, but since you brought it up I’ll be happy to take the opposing side. I’ll also be happy to try and dispel the myth that religion and morality are somehow connected.
 
Enoch07

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themadhair said:
I’m still waiting to hear of a single solitary good thing ever done by religion that cannot also be done by a secularist.
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Peace of Mind comes to mind right off the bat. Having lived the life of both an atheist at one point and now a Christian, I can attest that my life was 10 times more hectic as an atheist.
 
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Enoch07 said:
On a more serious note. This joke is a little redundant when science helped to kill over 200,000 people in Hiroshima with a single bomb.
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But whom did science help to kill them? It was a Christian who gave the order, and a Christian who actually dropped the bomb.
 
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Enoch07 said:
Peace of Mind comes to mind right off the bat. Having lived the life of both an atheist at one point and now a Christian, I can attest that my life was 10 times more hectic as an atheist.
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Are you trying to say that ignorance is bliss? :D
 
Enoch07

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Smoke said:
But whom did science help to kill them? It was a Christian who gave the order, and a Christian who actually dropped the bomb.
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It was not God or Religion that told them to do it though. So why are you even mentioning that?

Smoke said:
Are you trying to say that ignorance is bliss? :D
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themadhair said:
Apparently so. You know that acceptance considered the final stage in a process...
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The only ignorance is in your replies because you know you cannot counter it in any other way. So you resort to insults as usual. So predictable.
 
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Enoch07 said:
It was not God or Religion that told them to do it though. So why are you even mentioning that?
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It wasn't science that told them to do it, either. So why are you even mentioning that?

Enoch07 said:
The only ignorance is in your replies because you know you cannot counter it in any other way. So you resort to insults as usual. So predictable.
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Even if you use the "big grin" smiley, I guess some people are just constitutionally incapable of recognizing a joke.
 
Enoch07

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Storm: I never said it did. But science is responsible for making the bomb. So it is partially responsible for the 200,000 deaths. Just like science did not tell us to treat our water supply to keep people from getting ill, yet it receives at the very least some credit for giving us a way to do it.
 
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themadhair

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Enoch07 said:
Storm: I never said it did. But science is responsible for making the bomb. So it is partially responsible for the 200,000 deaths. Just like science did not tell us to treat our water supply to keep people from getting ill, yet it receives at the very least some credit for giving us a way to do it.
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Let me get this straight - are you saying having more knowledge about how the wolrd operates is a bad thing?
 
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Enoch07 said:
Storm: I never said it did. But science is responsible for making the bomb. So it is partially responsible for the 200,000 deaths.
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Science is morally neutral. It can be used for good or for evil, just like technology, or art, or intelligence or strength.

Christianity claims not to be morally neutral; it even claims to be the very best source of the very most exemplary morals.

Therefore, when (as in the Inquisition) Christian teaching moves people to do evil, or when (as in the case of the Nazis) Christianity is used to convince people to do evil, it tends to undermine the claims of Christianity. There is no such conflict when people use science to do evil.
 
Enoch07

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Smoke said:
Science is morally neutral. It can be used for good or for evil, just like technology, or art, or intelligence or strength.

Christianity claims not to be morally neutral; it even claims to be the very best source of the very most exemplary morals.

Therefore, when (as in the Inquisition) Christian teaching moves people to do evil, or when (as in the case of the Nazis) Christianity is used to convince people to do evil, it tends to undermine the claims of Christianity. There is no such conflict when people use science to do evil.
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Actually Christianity is not the driving factor in the case of Nazis. There is evidence in this thread http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...s/28483-why-i-hate-hate-hate-religion-26.html proving that. So your answer not only shows your bias but is also factually incorrect.

themadhair said:
So how can you say science is a bad thing given that it is a methodology for aquiring knowledge about how the world operates?
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I am not. I was just pointing out people like Smoke who are biased against religion, and claim that religion is responsible for evil, are just as wrong as someone saying science is evil for for killing all those people in Hiroshima.
 
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themadhair

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Enoch07 said:
Read 9-10ths post.
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I could be wrong about this, but isn't wiping out the first born of Egypt something you folks gave god credit for? I'm still not seeing how you got "and claim that religion is responsible for evil" from that given the context his post was given in.
 
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