Gods Kingdom is now ruling. Are you one of its citizens?

[Sha'irullah]

Put simply it means living in pleasant harmony with this:



The Bible says Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. God Being Head of The Way is the Only One knowing it. To believe in The God Of Knowing is to enter into the Kingdom of God. So really it has always existed. But now it exists with a human king. Jesus Christ. (Yehoshua, God's son)

* this is off topic which is good because I don't want to talk about it

I can think of many verses directly mentioning the Kingdom of Christ but I just don't see the relevance of this verse though. I am rusty obviously

 

[savagewind]

I can think of many verses directly mentioning the Kingdom of Christ but I just don't see the relevance of this verse though. I am rusty obviously

Is it correct that you mean you can't see the relevance of 1 Corinthians 11:3 in connection to The Kingdom of God?

The body walks which way the head faces. So the head dictates which way you go. God is head. God dictates which way you go. A Kingdom is symbolic of what will be. Everyone is going where Christ goes.

What else can head mean? Excuse me.

 

[Pegg]

It depends on interpretation because are they real gods or alleged "gods"?

they are self proclaimed gods such as Satan who proclaimed himself god when he rebelled.

and they are man-made gods inspired by satan and the demons. People unwittingly give their devotion to false gods who are crafted after the demons who inspire them.

Then you're polytheistic and believe in two gods with their own sovereignty, which is actually counter to what the Bible states. That's what "polytheism" is and how it's defined. Also, you have put limits on God whereas He apparently cannot really do anything to control haSatan.

Judaism, otoh, teaches monotheism.

I would have thought that to be polytheistic would mean that one worships many gods. I dont worship the false gods or satan... I certainly believe they exist....just look at the different gods represented by this forum!

If believing in other gods makes me polytheistic, then sure, ok. But I worship only Jehovah and I await his promise to wipe out every last vestage of the false gods from this world and the minds of mankind. :yes:

 

[metis]

I would have thought that to be polytheistic would mean that one worships many gods. I dont worship the false gods or satan... I certainly believe they exist....just look at the different gods represented by this forum!

If believing in other gods makes me polytheistic, then sure, ok. But I worship only Jehovah and I await his promise to wipe out every last vestage of the false gods from this world and the minds of mankind. :yes:

A specific person does not have to worship a god for it to be a god, and I'm certainly not saying that you worship any other God. However, if one believes that Satan has his own sovereignty, even though they may not worship him, they have slipped into polytheism.

Again, in Torah and Tanakh, Satan is not viewed as a sovereign deity (read the early chapters of Job again and you'll see what I mean) and only is allowed to do his "work" if God allows him to do so. However, as I also stated previously, there are many Jewish sages who lean in the direction that haSatan may be more our selfish and self-centered inner desires that are allowed through free will.

 

[savagewind]

A specific person does not have to worship a god for it to be a god, and I'm certainly not saying that you worship any other God. However, if one believes that Satan has his own sovereignty, even though they may not worship him, they have slipped into polytheism.

A very good (and I believe true) idea. If it is true to believe Satan is a powerful individual then a person should beware of assigning any sovereignty to it.

Again, in Torah and Tanakh, Satan is not viewed as a sovereign deity (read the early chapters of Job again and you'll see what I mean) and only is allowed to do his "work" if God allows him to do so. However, as I also stated previously, there are many Jewish sages who lean in the direction that haSatan may be more our selfish and self-centered inner desires that are allowed through free will.

Christians say Satan cannot be the self centered inner desires of humankind because it is written Satan spoke to Jesus and Jesus is he who has no self centered inner desires. I believe the same. But Jesus said "I know what is in you" so the Satan that visited Jesus pictures what humankind believes of him, and is not a superhuman being. (my opinion)

John 2: 23 Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Festival, many people saw the signs he was performing and believed in his name. 24 But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all people. 25 He did not need any testimony about mankind, for he knew what was in each person.

 

[metis]

A very good (and I believe true) idea. If it is true to believe Satan is a powerful individual then a person should beware of assigning any sovereignty to it.

Thanks for this.

Christians say Satan cannot be the self centered inner desires of humankind because it is written Satan spoke to Jesus and Jesus is he who has no self centered inner desires. I believe the same. But Jesus said "I know what is in you" so the Satan that visited Jesus pictures what humankind believes of him, and is not a superhuman being. (my opinion)

John 2: 23 Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Festival, many people saw the signs he was performing and believed in his name. 24 But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all people. 25 He did not need any testimony about mankind, for he knew what was in each person.

Obviously you and I are going to look at what you call the "N.T." differently, and that's OK with me. However, I am quite familiar with the narrative you quote above, and it has long been an unanswered question of mine whether it was meant to be taken literally or in symbolic terms? After all, even in the narrative itself it only involved Jesus and Satan, so who was there to record what supposedly happened?

BTW, to be fair, I am skeptical pretty much about taking many to most Biblical narratives literally as I tend to take a more naturalistic approach, so we are undoubtedly playing in different ballparks in this area as well.