God's Name Removed from the Bible

[sojourner]

No it is not anglicised, it was Latinized first.

Isho was the name they used in Aramaic Galilee.

You could yell yeshua pronounced properly and he may not have even turned around to look at you.

Interesting that ish is the Hebrew noun for "man"...

 

[outhouse]

You guys should be YHWH Witnesses.

Why not El? He was the first god of Israelites, and the god of Abraham in mythology

 

[outhouse]

Interesting that ish is the Hebrew noun for "man"...

No idea, I just learned this a few weeks ago. I knew his Aramaic name was not Yeshua and some debate about Yehoshua still existed in my mind.


Isho

Aramaic (Classical Syriac) and East Syriac, which are ancestral to West Syriac, render the pronunciation of the same letters as ܝܫܘܥ isho (išo) /iʃoʔ/. The Aramaic Bible (c. 200 AD) or the Pe****ta preserve this same spelling. These texts were translated from the Greek, but the name is not a simple transliteration of the Greek form because Greek did not have an "sh" [ʃ] sound, and substituted ; and likewise lacked and therefore omitted the final ‘ayin sound [ʕ]. Moreover, Eusebius reports that Jesus's student Matthew wrote a gospel "in the Hebrew language". (Note, scholars typically argue the word "Hebrew" in the New Testament refers to Aramaic.[30]) The Aramaic of the Pe****ta does not distinguish between Joshua and Jesus, and the Lexicon of William Jennings gives the same form ܝܫܘܥ isho (išo) for both names.[7] The Hebrew final letter ayin ע is equivalent to final ܥ in Classical Syriac and East Syriac. It can be argued that the Aramaic speakers who used this name had a continual connection to the Aramaic-speakers in communities founded by the apostles and other students of Jesus, thus independently preserved his historical name Isho. Those churches following the East Syrian Rite still preserve the name Isho

 

[Sleeppy]

No idea, I just learned this a few weeks ago. I knew his Aramaic name was not Yeshua and some debate about Yehoshua still existed in my mind.


Isho

Aramaic (Classical Syriac) and East Syriac, which are ancestral to West Syriac, render the pronunciation of the same letters as ܝܫܘܥ isho (išo) /iʃoʔ/. The Aramaic Bible (c. 200 AD) or the Pe****ta preserve this same spelling. These texts were translated from the Greek, but the name is not a simple transliteration of the Greek form because Greek did not have an "sh" [ʃ] sound, and substituted ; and likewise lacked and therefore omitted the final ‘ayin sound [ʕ]. Moreover, Eusebius reports that Jesus's student Matthew wrote a gospel "in the Hebrew language". (Note, scholars typically argue the word "Hebrew" in the New Testament refers to Aramaic.[30]) The Aramaic of the Pe****ta does not distinguish between Joshua and Jesus, and the Lexicon of William Jennings gives the same form ܝܫܘܥ isho (išo) for both names.[7] The Hebrew final letter ayin ע is equivalent to final ܥ in Classical Syriac and East Syriac. It can be argued that the Aramaic speakers who used this name had a continual connection to the Aramaic-speakers in communities founded by the apostles and other students of Jesus, thus independently preserved his historical name Isho. Those churches following the East Syrian Rite still preserve the name Isho

The University of the Holy Land :: Another informal name for "Jesus"

When I listen to this recording of the pronunciation of Yeshu.. It does sound like Isho(-uh).

 

[rusra02]

No. God doesn't "remain nameless." God has a name. We just don't get to pronounce it. Not because the pronunciation "can't be determined," but because we need to maintain that degree of separation, so that God remains holy.

I think it's kinda hard to "Come into his gates with thanksgiving, Into his courtyards with praise. Give thanks to him; praise his name." And to be among those "who calls on the name of Jehovah [who].will be saved; " without pronouncing his name! The Name Jehovah had recorded and preserved in his word 7,000 times or so. (Psalm 100:4, Joel 2:32)

 

[rusra02]

But Genesis says raqiya. Which was my point: the bible says. The bible says something that we know to be untrue. Therefore, "The bible says" cannot be used as a trump card, because the bible says a lot of things.

It's not "stretching it." But to misuse the bible as some overarching paragon of factual truth is "stretching it."

We believe the Bible is God's Word, and is the truth. Millions have reached this conclusion after carefully studying the Bible. (John 17:17, 18:37)

 

[savagewind]

I have heard not one word from the Jehovah's Witnesss about the concept "Name" means more than a word anyone is called. Maybe someone else should engage them with the question as I seem to be on ignore.

 

[outhouse]

The University of the Holy Land :: Another informal name for "Jesus"

When I listen to this recording of the pronunciation of Yeshu.. It does sound like Isho(-uh).

I wonder what Isho sounds like in Aramaic, I have no idea if it is similar.

Good catch

 

[outhouse]

We believe the Bible is God's Word, and is the truth. Millions have reached this conclusion after carefully studying the Bible. (John 17:17, 18:37)

Doesn't make it so.


Fanaticism stops all learning and accepting of credible knowledge.


Muslims believe their book is the literal world of god, and they have more literalist then you do. So theirs is right and yours wrong because of popularity alone ?

 

[savagewind]

Muslims believe their book is the literal world of god, and they have more literalist then you do. So theirs is right and yours wrong because of popularity alone ?

Some people who think they believe what Jesus taught say the large number of their adherents proves they are righteous but Jesus said to believe in him means to be hated.

Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Mark 13:13

 

[outhouse]

Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Mark 13:13

Old mythology in context to a different time and place.


And it is words of the unknown author of mark, not jesus.

 

[savagewind]

Old mythology in context to a different time and place.

And it is words of the unknown author of mark, not jesus.

And you are sure of that because you were there. We all know you are not HERE.

I do not care who speaks the truth. Ya know? I do not believe the truth because of who speaks or writes it. I am not so arrogant as to be so sure WHO a message is for. To me truth is truth then and now and later. Love is first, then truth, then everything else. Me. you, them are nothing compared to love and truth. You do not believe in God's love and that God is true so why do you think you are so smart?

 

[sojourner]

I think it's kinda hard to "Come into his gates with thanksgiving, Into his courtyards with praise. Give thanks to him; praise his name." And to be among those "who calls on the name of Jehovah [who].will be saved; " without pronouncing his name! The Name Jehovah had recorded and preserved in his word 7,000 times or so. (Psalm 100:4, Joel 2:32)

I dunno. I go through the gates of Disneyland with joy -- and without chanting either "Mickey Mouse!" or "Walt! Walt! Walt!"

 

[sojourner]

We believe the Bible is God's Word, and is the truth. Millions have reached this conclusion after carefully studying the Bible. (John 17:17, 18:37)

And yet... that bothersome little term raqiya is blatant and obvious proof that not everything in the bible is literally true. Millions have reached this conclusion after carefully studying the bible.

You didn't know this fact, yet you consider yourself part of this amorphous "We" who have studied the bible so carefully?

 

[savagewind]

I think it's kinda hard to "Come into his gates with thanksgiving, Into his courtyards with praise. Give thanks to him; praise his name." And to be among those "who calls on the name of Jehovah [who].will be saved; " without pronouncing his name! The Name Jehovah had recorded and preserved in his word 7,000 times or so. (Psalm 100:4, Joel 2:32)

NASB Translation שְׁמֽוֹ׃
byword (1), defamed* (1), defames* (1), fame (8), famous (3), famous* (1), memorial (1), Name (3), name (654), name's (11), name* (4), named (7), named* (66), names (80), renown (6), renowned (1), report (1), repute (1), same names (1).

Enter into his gates with thanksgiving into his courts with praise be thankful to him bless his name
Enter into his gates with thanksgiving into his courts with praise be thankful to him bless his fame
Enter into his gates with thanksgiving into his courts with praise be thankful to him bless his memorial
Enter into his gates with thanksgiving into his courts with praise be thankful to him bless his renown
Enter into his gates with thanksgiving into his courts with praise be thankful to him bless repute

Do they not all work for the truth?


Strong's Hebrew: 8034. ???? (shem) -- a name

 

[Pegg]

In Genesis, the Hebrew term for "sky" is raqiya, which literally means "a hammered-out bowl." One hammers out a bowl from metal. Hence, the sky is a metal bowl, according to Genesis.

We say things about nature from our earthly perspective, for example, we say that the 'sun rises in the east and sets in the west' but we know that it doesnt actually move in the sky.

These expressions used by the ancient people are the same. They simply describe nature from an earthly perspective in ways that we see it.

When you look up into the sky, it is like a dome above us from our perspective just as it looks to us as if the sun is actually moving across the sky.

 

[sojourner]

We say things about nature from our earthly perspective, for example, we say that the 'sun rises in the east and sets in the west' but we know that it doesnt actually move in the sky.

These expressions used by the ancient people are the same. They simply describe nature from an earthly perspective in ways that we see it.

When you look up into the sky, it is like a dome above us from our perspective just as it looks to us as if the sun is actually moving across the sky.

That contradicts what Rusra said, which was the whole point of my posting what I did. Either the bible can be trusted as to its factual content, or it can't. If one part can be read "through the lens of ancient people," then all parts can be rightly read the same way.

 

[rusra02]

Doesn't make it so.


Fanaticism stops all learning and accepting of credible knowledge.


Muslims believe their book is the literal world of god, and they have more literalist then you do. So theirs is right and yours wrong because of popularity alone ?

IMO, each person should examine the evidence for himself as to whether the Bible is what it claims to be, the Word of God. Examining the evidence and drawing conclusions is not fanaticism.

 

[rusra02]

And yet... that bothersome little term raqiya is blatant and obvious proof that not everything in the bible is literally true. Millions have reached this conclusion after carefully studying the bible.

You didn't know this fact, yet you consider yourself part of this amorphous "We" who have studied the bible so carefully?

IMO, the idea that the Bible teaches the sky is a metal dome is a gross misinterpretation, based on Middle Ages error rather than on what the Bible actually says. So I don't think you have your "facts" correct.

 

[sojourner]

IMO, the idea that the Bible teaches the sky is a metal dome is a gross misinterpretation, based on Middle Ages error rather than on what the Bible actually says. So I don't think you have your "facts" correct.

Fact: The Hebrew term used in Genesis 1 for "sky" is raqiya. It has always been raqiya, and shall continue to be raqiya.

Fact: The word raqiya means "hammered-out dome." It has always meant that.

Fact: There is no "misinterpretation" of a well-known Hebrew term that everyone knows the meaning of.

Fact: There is no "middle ages error" with regard to the translation of Genesis 1. Translational and scribal errors don't work that way. It is what it is.

Fact: What you "believe" about my facts isn't based upon textual knowledge, but upon emotional wishing.

Fact: the discrepancy here doesn't lie in a translation or scribal error. the discrepancy lies in your assertive belief that the bible has all its facts correct, juxtaposed against irrefutable evidence that the bible says the sky is what we know to be false. Your opinion doesn't trump fact.