God's Name Removed from the Bible

[McBell]

As mentioned previously, God's name is not pronounced exactly the same in all languages. Therefore, IMO, there is neither a need nor is it possible to know how God's name was pronounced in a language no longer spoken. What is important, to me, is that we honor God's Name. On one occasion, Jesus prayed, "Father, glorify your name.” Then a voice came out of heaven: “I have glorified it and will glorify it again.” (John 12:28) God's distinctive name identifies him in every language as the only true God, whether pronounced Jehovah as in English Je ho vah' as in Spanish. If God didn't want us to use his name, he would not have put in his word over 7,0000 times, IMO.

Yet here you are not using it...

Hells bells, even Jesus did not use it in the quote you present....


Kinda kills your argument, don't you think?

 

[outhouse]

he would not have put in his word over 7,0000 times


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The name your using was not used or put in any book until after 1100 CE ish :slap:

 

[Tabb]

As mentioned previously, God's name is not pronounced exactly the same in all languages. Therefore, IMO, there is neither a need nor is it possible to know how God's name was pronounced in a language no longer spoken. What is important, to me, is that we honor God's Name. On one occasion, Jesus prayed, "Father, glorify your name.” Then a voice came out of heaven: “I have glorified it and will glorify it again.” (John 12:28) God's distinctive name identifies him in every language as the only true God, whether pronounced Jehovah as in English Je ho vah' as in Spanish. If God didn't want us to use his name, he would not have put in his word over 7,0000 times, IMO.

You still skirted around the Question. If you don't know the real name than how are you translating it? Also why do you address your superior by his first name?
You do realize that God did not write the bible so he didn't put his name 7,000 times anywhere and 7,000 times where? In the old or new testament? Witnesses always try to distance themselves from Christians but you guys use the Christian bible for your scripture.

 

[outhouse]

El is the name for the first god of Israel anyway,

Is ra EL


So you can dance in circles until the cows come home about how yahweh might have been pronounced, it does not matter one iota

 

[Desert Snake]

El is the name for the first god of Israel anyway,

Is ra EL


So you can dance in circles until the cows come home about how yahweh might have been pronounced, it does not matter one iota

El means 'G-d' in Hebraic religion, same way we use the term, even 'foreign' gods could be described as 'so & so's El', etc. YHVH and El in a Hebraic context is always referring to the same Deity, it isn't a "name" just in case anyone is confused about this topic.

 

[rusra02]

Yet here you are not using it...

Hells bells, even Jesus did not use it in the quote you present....


Kinda kills your argument, don't you think?

Of course I mentioned God's name in my post. But even if I did not use it in a particular post, what do you think that would prove? As one of Jehovah's witnesses, I am proud to bear that name,and happy to worship the one true God, Jehovah. (Psalm 83:18)

 

[rusra02]

The name your using was not used or put in any book until after 1100 CE ish :slap:

As you very well know, the English name Jehovah is the Name derived from the 4 Hebrew consonants that represent God's Name in ancient Hebrew, and which occurs over 7,000 times in God's Word, the Bible.
None of the names we commonly use today, including "Jesus", are pronounced as they were in ancient Hebrew. Yet no one I know objects to using these names. I think it is very strange that the one name men want to hide is the Name of the greatest Person in the universe, the only true God, who says "I am Jehovah. That is my name;" (Isaiah 42:8)

 

[outhouse]

s "I am Jehovah. That is my name;" (Isaiah 42:8)

:slap:

Stop it!, Isaiah did not ever use that name until after 1100 CE ish


For the first 2000 years people used every other name to describe the god concept BUT your personal choice.

 

[rusra02]

You still skirted around the Question. If you don't know the real name than how are you translating it? Also why do you address your superior by his first name?
You do realize that God did not write the bible so he didn't put his name 7,000 times anywhere and 7,000 times where? In the old or new testament? Witnesses always try to distance themselves from Christians but you guys use the Christian bible for your scripture.

Jehovah's Witnesses are and always have been Christians. And we believe that Jehovah inspired men to write the various books of the Bible. The Bible declares that "All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness." (2 Timothy 3:16) Jehovah himself wrote part of the Bible directly, notably the Ten Words or Ten Commandments. Exodus 31:18 states:*"Now as soon as he had finished speaking with him on Mount Siʹnai, he gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone written on by God’s finger." The portion of the Bible that God himself wrote bears his Name repeatedly.

 

[rusra02]

:slap:

Stop it!, Isaiah did not ever use that name until after 1100 CE ish


For the first 2000 years people used every other name to describe the god concept BUT your personal choice.

Well, you are entitled to your opinion, and I, mine.

 

[outhouse]

Well, you are entitled to your opinion, and I, mine.

Your not entitled to posit garbage to people and claim it has credibility. :slap:



You can have your faith, provided you keep it to yourself.


You bring that up in a debate forum, be ready to have reality hammer your opinion back in the box titled "my fundamentalism"

 

[sojourner]

I believe such an intimate knowledge of the true God is not only possible, but necessary for salvation. Jesus Christ knows God better than anyone. He said "*This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." Such knowledge of God, IMO, involves a reverential fear of him, and in no way implies we are on an equal footing. But like Abraham, we can be called "Jehovah's friend." (James 2:23) Jehovah invites us to "Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you. " (James 4:8) I think that such an intimate relationship with the true God is only possible because of his love and mercy toward us.

My doctor once saved me. But I don't call him "George." I call him "Doctor," or "Dr. Smith." Sure, we know God through several avenues of understanding. But that doesn't mean that we're on a "first name basis."

 

[sojourner]

As mentioned previously, God's name is not pronounced exactly the same in all languages. Therefore, IMO, there is neither a need nor is it possible to know how God's name was pronounced in a language no longer spoken. What is important, to me, is that we honor God's Name. On one occasion, Jesus prayed, "Father, glorify your name.” Then a voice came out of heaven: “I have glorified it and will glorify it again.” (John 12:28) God's distinctive name identifies him in every language as the only true God, whether pronounced Jehovah as in English Je ho vah' as in Spanish. If God didn't want us to use his name, he would not have put in his word over 7,0000 times, IMO.

You're so adamant about vocalizing the name -- as if it's of primary importance, and that the name be known and used, but yet you don't care how it's pronounced? This seems like apologetic hedging to me.

 

[sojourner]

As you very well know, the English name Jehovah is the Name derived from the 4 Hebrew consonants that represent God's Name in ancient Hebrew, and which occurs over 7,000 times in God's Word, the Bible.
None of the names we commonly use today, including "Jesus", are pronounced as they were in ancient Hebrew. Yet no one I know objects to using these names. I think it is very strange that the one name men want to hide is the Name of the greatest Person in the universe, the only true God, who says "I am Jehovah. That is my name;" (Isaiah 42:8)

If there is only one God, how can that God be anything other than "true?" Especially if there are no other gods to be called "false?" Isn't "one true God" redundant?

 

[sojourner]

we believe that Jehovah inspired men to write the various books of the Bible.

And then:

The portion of the Bible that God himself wrote bears his Name repeatedly.

So, did people write the bible, or did God? You're saying two different things here.

And furthermore, if "God inspired [people] to write the various books of the bible," why couldn't God "inspire people to omit God's name?"

 

[Tabb]

Jehovah's Witnesses are and always have been Christians. And we believe that Jehovah inspired men to write the various books of the Bible. The Bible declares that "All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness." (2 Timothy 3:16) Jehovah himself wrote part of the Bible directly, notably the Ten Words or Ten Commandments. Exodus 31:18 states:*"Now as soon as he had finished speaking with him on Mount Siʹnai, he gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone written on by God’s finger." The portion of the Bible that God himself wrote bears his Name repeatedly.

The name Jehovah was not on those Tablets.

The name Jehovah does not even appear till 1100 ce. There are questions among religious scholors as to if Witnesses can even consider themselves Christians. Since Christianity is based on worship to God going through Christ which is not what Witnesses do. I believe you are because of the forgtten Arian branch of very early Christianity that was disavowed and whose philosophy I accept. Whether you are or not, you guys do cherry pick the Bible to get your own conclusions.

The history of the New Testament is to cloudy and tainted for me to accept it as the inspired word of God

 

[rusra02]

If there is only one God, how can that God be anything other than "true?" Especially if there are no other gods to be called "false?" Isn't "one true God" redundant?

Of course not. There are many false gods, and many of these false gods are mentioned in the Bible. The name Jehovah differentiates the true God from the false ones. Titles such as Lord, God, Almighty, etc. mean different gods to different people with different religions. (1 Corinthians 8:5,6)

 

[sojourner]

Of course not. There are many false gods, and many of these false gods are mentioned in the Bible.

So... if these "false gods" are -- that is, if they exist -- in what sense can they be said to be "false?"

 

[rusra02]

You're so adamant about vocalizing the name -- as if it's of primary importance, and that the name be known and used, but yet you don't care how it's pronounced? This seems like apologetic hedging to me.

God requires those who worship him to use his Name, not I. (Malachi 3:16, Psalm 96:7,8)

 

[rusra02]

And then:

So, did people write the bible, or did God? You're saying two different things here.

Both. God wrote a small portion directly, and inspired men to record the rest of the Scriptures.

And furthermore, if "God inspired [people] to write the various books of the bible," why couldn't God "inspire people to omit God's name?"

As mentioned previously, Jehovah does not change. ( Malachi 3:6) How inconsistent would it be to have his name recorded 7,000 times, then turn around and have it removed? Why have us pray " Let your Name be sanctified" but then hide that Name? Clearly, Jehovah wants people to know, respect, and use his holy Name.