God's opposition to homosexual behavior. Why?

[BilliardsBall]

I did. The first calculation is off by a factor of 100 quadrillion. Do you deny that?

The whole thing about a sequence of 9's is just ludicrous. In no way does the numerology show *anything*, let alone that pi is hidden in the Bible.

You know little about gematria, then, it is not "numerology". Every letter character in Chaldean, Greek and Hebrew IS a number and vice versa.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Logical in what sense? Can you think of anything else that actually exists that leaves absolutely no trace of its existence? No way to measure or test for its existence?
It sounds to me like somebody trying to explain away the obvious fact that nobody has ever seen/detected/measured/demonstrated God. Therefore he just must be invisible and completely undetectable. That's not logic.


Human beings wrote the Bible. And humans beings use bits of the Bible to say whatever they personally want them to say. I see it over and over.


How does God interact with you exactly? Have you seen "him?" Do you hear voices? How do you conclude such things are the God you've chosen to worship? And if so, why has nobody ever been able to demonstrate the existence of this God in any kind of definitive sense?

You are skipping the person of Jesus, who reveals God and shows God, by claiming humans "wrote the Bible to say whatever they wish", without explaining how these Bible manipulators "chose" to be martyred and limit their income and personal power, or how their stories cohere across 1,500 years of writing...

 

[BilliardsBall]

Where are you getting this bull**** from? I can show you sources from Native American cultures (North, Central and South), various African peoples, India, East Asia, etc. Even if you just focus on the Greeks, you would know damn well that male homosexuality was acceptable. And the patriarchal sexist views of "effeminancy" and "passivity" do not equate to a blanket taboo on homosexuality. You were just viewed as being more "manly" as the top.

Since when are the Spartans the measuring stick for ancient peoole, anyway?

Are you okay with homosexuality? If so, do you currently practice it?

 

[Polymath257]

You know little about gematria, then, it is not "numerology". Every letter character in Chaldean, Greek and Hebrew IS a number and vice versa.

That isn't in dispute. The wild manipulations with no motivation and the stretch to assign meaning is.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You are skipping the person of Jesus, who reveals God and shows God, by claiming humans "wrote the Bible to say whatever they wish", without explaining how these Bible manipulators "chose" to be martyred and limit their income and personal power, or how their stories cohere across 1,500 years of writing...

What does any of that have to do with anything we're discussing?

Do you make a special point to not answer questions??

 

[Skwim]

What does any of that have to do with anything we're discussing?

Do you make a special point to not answer questions??

You put BB in a corner so what else can he do? It's a common fundi tactic: If you can't answer, then ignore and retreat to some other subject.

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[Prestor John]

Not cooking a goat in the milk of it's mother (one of the things the Bible does list as one of the 10) is rather arbitrary, and, yes, made up.

Thank you for sharing your irrelevant opinion.

It's very relative, because what has been accepted as the 10 Commandments is not what the Bible labeled the 10 Commandments. It reveals that although Christians try to push their religion into the public sphere, they themselves know little of their own religion.

The obvious fact that not all Christians agree (which everyone on the planet knows) is not relevant at all.

You asked me if I believe god gave us any commandments.

No. I asked if you believed that God gave us "only Ten Commandments".

If it were my "image" of what a god should that did exist, the rules wouldn't have said you have to do x and y with slavery, the rules would been "do not capture, sell, or own slaves."

Then I'm glad your "image" of God never existed.

What the Lord commanded ancient Israel to do concerning slavery was ideal for them in that time and place.

It allowed ancient Israel to flourish and it saved many souls.

Women also wouldn't be considered unclean while on their period or after giving birth.

So, your God would force women to perform their usual labors while they were suffering from the pains associated with menstruation and recovery from child birth?

No resting periods for these women? No sick days?

Your "image" of God is lame.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Thank you for sharing your irrelevant opinion.

If that is how you feel, you shouldn't have asked my thoughts on the issue.

The obvious fact that not all Christians agree (which everyone on the planet knows) is not relevant at all.

Which is kind of a big problem when there is so much disagreement. Even with homosexuality, some Christians see nothing wrong with it and some don't care what other people do and some are very vocally anti-LBGT.

What the Lord commanded ancient Israel to do concerning slavery was ideal for them in that time and place.

It allowed ancient Israel to flourish and it saved many souls.

Excuses and apologetic attitudes towards slavery should be questioned, and dismissed. We have advanced and progressed far beyond god's Bronze Age tribal laws and "morality." One fine example is today if you don't spare the rod you are guilty of child abuse, and would be guilty of murder if you killed your child for worshiping another god, and our children (and society as a whole) is much better off this way.

So, your God would force women to perform their usual labors while they were suffering from the pains associated with menstruation and recovery from child birth?

How did you get all that out of "they wouldn't be considered unclean?"

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Are you okay with homosexuality? If so, do you currently practice it?

That's totally irrelevant to what I said. I take it that you have no real response.

 

[BilliardsBall]

That's totally irrelevant to what I said. I take it that you have no real response.

I have a response but prefer to talk with people who are open-minded, not simply pushing a liberal agenda.

 

[1robin]

The following are "typical interpretations by religious conservatives" as presented by Religioustolerance.org.

Genesis 19 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior, whether by two men, two women, within a loving committed relationship or a "one-night stand."

Leviticus 18:22 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior.

Leviticus 20:13 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior.

Romans 1:26-27 Condemns all homosexual behavior as unnatural.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Sexually active homosexuals will go to Hell, not Heaven, at death. Once truly saved, homosexuals will become heterosexuals.

1 Timothy 1:9-10 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior.

Jude 1:7 Sexually active homosexuals will go to Hell, not Heaven, at death.
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If one accepts the passages cited as those inspired of god, and their interpretation in accordance with conservative Christian understanding, can anyone explain why the Christian god finds homosexuality "detestable" and worthy of "punishment of eternal fire"?

I know I'm asking people here to second guess god and his reasoning, but because so many Christians are keen to speak for him on numerous issues I figure some here would have a good insight into his thinking. So, Just what is it about showing sexual affection toward someone of the same sex that turns off god? Is it just some eeeeew factor, or does it go deeper than this?

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Your position on Christianity and homosexuality requires some clarification.

1. God created humanity to practice heterosexuality. An example of this is in Genesis where women are said to be brides and men the bridegrooms. Heterosexual marriage was to reflect Christ's relationship with humanity. Christ is referred to as the bridegroom and the church his bride.
2. IOW God intended for us to practice heterosexuality. Heterosexuality being "natural" and homosexuality contradicting nature and God's intention and design.
3. My understanding of the bible is that homosexuality is a sin just as drunkenness, theft, idolatry, and gluttony are sins. Christianity is not a group of sinless people, it is composed of sinful people who admit there failures and accept Christ's forgiveness. We may continue to fall short but it is no longer our record but Christ's by which we are judged. So IMO a born again Christian homosexual will still make it to heaven but that does not mean God approves of his homosexuality.
4. In addition to homosexuality contradicting God's intention for human sexuality unlike most other sins homosexuality seems to produce unimaginable suffering among those who practice it and even those that don't. Just one example is that the 4% of the US population causes over 60% of new aids cases. If God did not condemn a practice that costly then you would have a basis for questioning God's moral compass.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I have a response but prefer to talk with people who are open-minded, not simply pushing a liberal agenda.

You mean you just want to talk to gullible people who are more susceptible to swallowing your bs.

 

[BilliardsBall]

You mean you just want to talk to gullible people who are more susceptible to swallowing your bs.

No, open-minded skeptics are fine, too, you see, they would say, "respectfully, I must disagree because X" rather than "I won't swallow your BS".

 

[Hawkins]

So why do you think god feels homosexuals acts are so bad that their perpetrators deserve to be condemned?

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The answer is rather simple.

God's goal is to build an eternity we call heaven. To behave against a design purpose is a dangerous act when a scope of eternity is considered. Willingly breaking a law is yet another more dangerous act in terms of how humans can survive an eternity living with a completely sin-incompatible God.

 

[Skwim]

The answer is rather simple.

God's goal is to build an eternity we call heaven. To behave against a design purpose is a dangerous act when a scope of eternity is considered. Willingly breaking a law is yet another more dangerous act in terms of how humans can survive an eternity living with a completely sin-incompatible God.

Fine, but this doesn't answer the question of why god is opposed to homosexual behavior.
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[Saint Frankenstein]

No, open-minded skeptics are fine, too, you see, they would say, "respectfully, I must disagree because X" rather than "I won't swallow your BS".

Like if someone is claiming the moon is made out of cheese we must, of course, always remain respectful.

 

[SomeRandom]

No, open-minded skeptics are fine, too, you see, they would say, "respectfully, I must disagree because X" rather than "I won't swallow your BS".

To be fair, respectful disagreement also has its limits. I can respect the right a person has to believe that whites are inherently superior. I doubt I will disagree all that respectfully with that person, though. I might try being polite when I disagree with that person. But I could understand if others react far more........."passionately."

 

[tayla]

So, Just what is it about showing sexual affection toward someone of the same sex that turns off god?

It's pure ignorance about biology (not on God's part), nothing more.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Like if someone is claiming the moon is made out of cheese we must, of course, always remain respectful.

On what basis do you withdraw civility to the uneducated or the mistaken? AGAIN, prove the Bible wrong, where it says skeptics disdain believers without valid reasons.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

On what basis do you withdraw civility to the uneducated or the mistaken? AGAIN, prove the Bible wrong, where it says skeptics disdain believers without valid reasons.

When they choose to persist in their wrong thinking despite all evidence, reason and logic otherwise and especially when it casts a whole group of people in a negative light.

I don't have a problem with people being Christian. Don't play the martyr card with me. Homophobia isn't intrinsic to Christianity and many Christians are LGBT allies or part of the community themselves.