God's opposition to homosexual behavior. Why?

[dfnj]

or does it go deeper than this?

It's funny how the people who are the most outspoken against homosexuality turn out to be one in the end!

 

[SkepticThinker]

I'm not sure what to say. I think the description for the Father as invisible is logical, yet Jesus has revealed God on Earth.

Logical in what sense? Can you think of anything else that actually exists that leaves absolutely no trace of its existence? No way to measure or test for its existence?
It sounds to me like somebody trying to explain away the obvious fact that nobody has ever seen/detected/measured/demonstrated God. Therefore he just must be invisible and completely undetectable. That's not logic.

Random numbers were not manipulated on that page, rather, numbers in the text were used in a demonstration of the intelligence who authored the Bible.

Human beings wrote the Bible. And humans beings use bits of the Bible to say whatever they personally want them to say. I see it over and over.

I think God has said what Pi is, it is a fundamental axiomatic principle of wonder we see throughout nature. People marvel at the infinity of numbers like Pi and at infinity itself, that they might "grope for God and perhaps find Him" as the Bible says. I know that God frequently interacts with me through a variety of means and agents.

How does God interact with you exactly? Have you seen "him?" Do you hear voices? How do you conclude such things are the God you've chosen to worship? And if so, why has nobody ever been able to demonstrate the existence of this God in any kind of definitive sense?

 

[Skwim]

First you would need to question, by whom did homosexualit come from, Since homosexualit didn't come from God himself.

No need to question it at all. It's an individual characteristic like one's mental abilities. Most people have average memories whereas others have exceptional memories---there's no choice involved. Most people are attracted to the opposite sex while others are attracted to those of the same sex---choosing is not involved.

Second, you have God in his word, clearly stating how he feels about homosexualit.

Well, homosexual behavior, to be exact. (Might try reading the Bible itself.)

So you do not have to ask Christians how God feels about homosexualit.

Of course I don't, but I do anyway. Whether anyone likes it or not.

Now, your conclusion ". . .you do not have to ask Christians how God feels about homosexualit [sic]" certainly doesn't follow from your two "premises,"

1) God doesn't cause homosexuality

2) God says detests homosexual behavior.
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so what's your point in all this? AND, why is god opposed to homosexual behavior?

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[Saint Frankenstein]

Totally wrong. Most have abhorred homosexuality. Even the Spartans are now understood to have had mentor/mentee relationships and likely not homosexuality. And always, effeminacy and being the passive partner in a homosexual relationship have been abhorred.

Where are you getting this bull**** from? I can show you sources from Native American cultures (North, Central and South), various African peoples, India, East Asia, etc. Even if you just focus on the Greeks, you would know damn well that male homosexuality was acceptable. And the patriarchal sexist views of "effeminancy" and "passivity" do not equate to a blanket taboo on homosexuality. You were just viewed as being more "manly" as the top.

Since when are the Spartans the measuring stick for ancient peoole, anyway?

 

[Faithofchristian]

No need to question it at all. It's an individual characteristic like one's mental abilities. Most people have average memories whereas others have exceptional memories---there's no choice involved. Most people are attracted to the opposite sex while others are attracted to those of the same sex---choosing is not involved.


Well, homosexual behavior, to be exact. (Might try reading the Bible itself.)


Of course I don't, but I do anyway. Whether anyone likes it or not.

Now, your conclusion ". . .you do not have to ask Christians how God feels about homosexualit [sic]" certainly doesn't follow from your two "premises,"

1) God doesn't cause homosexuality

2) God says detests homosexual behavior.
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so what's your point in all this? AND, why is god opposed to homosexual behavior?

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It's evidence, seeing God created Adam and Eve. Man and woman.
And not Adam and Steve.

Seeing homosexualit didn't come by God,
So how did homosexualit come about and by who bought homosexualit about.

The answer to this of the first homosexual act committed is in the book of Genesis 3.

 

[SomeRandom]

Take a few minutes to Google rates of domestic violence among gay and straight couples. I think there is conclusive evidence there, as for pain and psychic discomfort, there are some psychology studies but Occam's Razor tells me it's not all repression, just like not all persons can claim PTSD due to abuse or blame their parents or society for crimes or discomfort as adults.

Do your own homework, you brought up the claim in the first place, not me. So put up or shut up, as they say.

And actually I have done so many times. Mostly because people have been showing me stats for years now. Every single time (and I do mean every single time) I do, the ones conducting the stats ALWAYS stress that the mitigating factors of outside pressure to conform, feelings of shame pushed onto the community by some Christians (ahem ahem ahem) and fear of coming forward to authorities due to repression from society even today, explain why the stats are always so high. So who do you want me to believe? Multiple mental health and social science professionals from differing countries at different times all saying pretty much the exact same thing? That fear of reprisal from society, their partner and even the police coupled with the fear of not being taken seriously by authorities because of latent anti gay sentiment accounts for why domestic violence is far more likely to be unaddressed and therefore more prominent with gay couples. (Oh look a nuanced look at stats, instead of taking it at face value like a rookie. Come on, you're smarter than this.)
Or a Christian layman with obvious confirmation bias, prejudice and pushing a thinly veiled agenda?
Who is obviously trying to win converts for Christ by apparently preaching to the vulnerable element of society, just going by what you've said here.
Hard choice.
Oh and FYI trauma is handled differently by different people. PTSD is usually seen in examples of extreme trauma, like war or being kidnapped and tortured or extreme cases of abuse. So of course not every person abused by their parents can claim PTSD. That's like saying not everyone who lost a parent can claim grief. They might not have even met said parent. Circumstances are different. It's this thing called nuance.

I know a lot of gays who are unhappy and who tell me they've "always had a hole missing in their lives," a universal hole which the Christ can fill.

Yeah and every single gay person I know in my life, family or otherwise, tells me the exact opposite.
Anecdotal evidence is NOT evidence.

 

[Prestor John]

You mean like how people made up the 10 Commandments and then forgot which ones where actually labeled the 10 Commandments?

No. Not at all.

Do you believe that God gave only Ten Commandments to Mankind?

 

[Prestor John]

To be sure, if you had said something intelligent I would most likely have remembered it. And I don't doubt that in the past you may have addressed the issue, but the way my mind works I'm quite thankful that it continually cleanses itself of all the lame reasoning it comes across. This isn't to say that I never consider it, and may even reply to it, but after that it's like used toilet paper:

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Your prove yourself to be immature and hypocritical.

You don't care about anyone's answers.

You just like to agitate the masses.

You Pharisee.

 

[Skwim]

Your prove yourself to be immature and hypocritical.

You don't care about anyone's answers.

You just like to agitate the masses.

You Pharisee.

First you call me immature and hypocritical, and now you call me a

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Phar·i·see ˈferəˌsē/ noun
noun: Pharisee; plural noun: Pharisees

1. self-righteous person; a hypocrite. ​

How nice. NOT!​

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But I am sorry to have reduced you to personal attacks and name calling AGAIN. I thought you were capable of more than this. Obviously not.


Have a good day

 

[Prestor John]

First you call me immature and hypocritical. And now you call me a

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Phar·i·see ˈferəˌsē/ noun
noun: Pharisee; plural noun: Pharisees

1. self-righteous person; a hypocrite. ​

How nice. NOT!​

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But I am sorry to have reduced you to personal attacks and name calling AGAIN. I thought you were capable of more than this. Obviously not.


Have a good day

You are acting like a Pharisee.

You claim that there are no reasons for anyone to oppose homosexual behavior, yet you have had many people share their reasons for why they do.

I had hoped that my drawing attention to your belligerent behavior would cause you to amend it, but I guess I hoped in vain.

What I am or am not capable of is irrelevant if you choose to ignore my attempts.

Stop being a hypocrite. Conduct yourself appropriately.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No. Not at all.

Do you believe that God gave only Ten Commandments to Mankind?

Which Ten Commandments? Are you talking about the ones give by God to Moses, carved in stone and called "The Ten Commandments" in the Bible?

 

[Prestor John]

Which Ten Commandments? Are you talking about the ones give by God to Moses, carved in stone and called "The Ten Commandments" in the Bible?

I don't know exactly what Shadow Wolf meant, but I assumed it was about the Ten Commandments given to Moses.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't know exactly what Shadow Wolf meant, but I assumed it was about the Ten Commandments given to Moses.

Again, there are several variations of those but only one meets the criteria that I listed. Does written in stone, given to Moses, and called the Ten Commandments in the Bible the ones that you were talking about?

 

[Augustus]

a universal hole which the Christ can fill.

That's a bit blue...

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

they've "always had a hole missing in their lives," a universal hole which the Christ can fill.

LMAO. That's Freudian slip gold right there. Did Jesus fill your hole, too?

 

[Prestor John]

Again, there are several variations of those but only one meets the criteria that I listed. Does written in stone, given to Moses, and called the Ten Commandments in the Bible the ones that you were talking about?

You would need to ask Shadow Wolf.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No. Not at all.

Actually, yes, because the list that people want displayed in court houses is not what the Bible calls the 10 Commandments.

Do you believe that God gave only Ten Commandments to Mankind?

I do not believe a god has given us any such thing, it would had forbade slavery and genocide from the start, rather than permitting, condoning, and normalizing it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, that's revisionist history, especially since current historians debate whether Sparta and etc. had mentor/mentee relationships or sexual ones--which would further make all the Spartans and etc. bi and not gay. A "pinch" of hetero to make babies to feed mouths and wars is not a sane concept.

If you notice I used expressions such as "what we would consider" and "by today's standards." I didn't say they were gay or bi, but rather they made no such distinctions and that sex was just sex.

 

[Prestor John]

Actually, yes, because the list that people want displayed in court houses is not what the Bible calls the 10 Commandments.

What are you even talking about?

I said, "No. Not at all." to your claim that God's commandments were "made up".

Whether or not people all agree on what the "Ten Commandments" are or if they should be displayed in court houses does not matter at all to this discussion.

Skwim forgot to mention that certain people "draw the line" depending on God's commandments.

I do not believe a god has given us any such thing, it would had forbade slavery and genocide from the start, rather than permitting, condoning, and normalizing it.

It is lucky for us and the Universe that your shallow, one-dimensional, juvenile adaptation of "god" does not exist.

It also has no relevance at all to this discussion.

When are you going to say something worthwhile?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I said, "No. Not at all." to your claim that God's commandments were "made up".

Not cooking a goat in the milk of it's mother (one of the things the Bible does list as one of the 10) is rather arbitrary, and, yes, made up.

Whether or not people all agree on what the "Ten Commandments" are or if they should be displayed in court houses does not matter at all to this discussion.

It's very relative, because what has been accepted as the 10 Commandments is not what the Bible labeled the 10 Commandments. It reveals that although Christians try to push their religion into the public sphere, they themselves know little of their own religion.

It also has no relevance at all to this discussion.

You asked me if I believe god gave us any commandments. If it were my "image" of what a god should that did exist, the rules wouldn't have said you have to do x and y with slavery, the rules would been "do not capture, sell, or own slaves." Women also wouldn't be considered unclean while on their period or after giving birth.