Gods responsibility

[idav]

I think, "Should I choose a promise or
should I choose what I know to be real?"

Problem is we dont know a promise is factual until it is too late. Of course we should choose reality, would work if we didnt have to rely so much on faith.

 

[mystic64]

Problem is we dont know a promise is factual until it is too late. Of course we should choose reality, would work if we didnt have to rely so much on faith.

Idav , your statement is the crux of the problem. I personally have absolutely zero faith. None. And I personally have no idea how folks can have absolute faith because I have never experienced it . As a mystic for sixty years now, I interact directly with God, Lord Jesus, Lord Shiva, and a bunch of other folks that are wandering around loose out there and I am also extremely empathic and somewhat telepathic, so to me nothing is real unless I have experienced it and have interacted with it. I do maintain the possiblity of things that I have not experienced being real, but they are all just considered possiblities with the understanding that there are a lot of those possibilities that I do not want, in any way, shape, or form, to interact with . So far I have been very lucky about it with the understanding that there have been a few times where I had to go to God Himself to get my tush out of trouble because in my ignorance I had stepped into something that had to do with those kinds of folks.

So anyway, it was God's fault that my tush got saved .

Idav, I use to walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death and feared nothing because I was the meanest son of a gun in the valley. Now I walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death and I fear everything real or imagined . and I just hope that there is a positive ending to it with the understanding that there might not be . Well, whatever happens it has got to be God's fault, it can't be mine. Because, I am way too lost to know what it is that I am doing .

 

[Thief]

I stand up and to the right of me is a door.
The lord of this world says to me,
"If you knock on that door, it opens,
and you pass through it, you will die."

I say to the lord of this world,
"Scripture tells me that I will not die."

The lord of this world says to me,
"Do you believe a book that has no proof,
or do you believe what you see and the proof
is all around you?"

The lord of this world says to me, "You walk
through that door and you will die.
Come with me and you will live with me
forever."

The lord of this world says to me, "You suffer
because you seek the impossible. Come with me
and all things will be possible. Your nakedness
is not shame it is beauty. Choose life, choose me."

I say to the lord of this world, "The Book says
that you are evil and that I suffer because of you."

The lord of this world says to me, "You suffer
because of the Book. Without the Book you
would not suffer."

I think, "Should I choose a promise or
should I choose what I know to be real?"

This is not scripture....but neither was the post I wrote!

 

[mystic64]

This is not scripture....but neither was the post I wrote!

Your above statement is true Thief . But, it is a possible answer to, "Is it God's fault?"

 

[Thief]

Your above statement is true Thief . But, it is a possible answer to, "Is it God's fault?"

yeah.....God gave Man dominion.
This world may have been created by Him....but He gave it to us.

So far.....not so good.
Evening news is a bit harsh.

 

[mystic64]

yeah.....God gave Man dominion.
This world may have been created by Him....but He gave it to us.

So far.....not so good.
Evening news is a bit harsh.

The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. Praised be the name of the Lord .

And Thief, the evening news might be a bit better than what you think it is . The pale horse is terrorism, the black horse is big business, the red horse is communism, and the white horse is democracy. All four hourses are now officially in play. And the kings of the east (the Shea guys ) are now amassing. Things are looking interesting. Who knows, maybe God has finally streightened out the mess that was in Heaven? And now maybe He is personally envolved with earth and the affairs of man? Is God responsible ? He might be? Things are looking interesting .

 

[Thief]

Well, if you're having fun now.....just hang on a bit longer!

....and the blood shall raise to the bridals of the horses.....

So I've heard!

And I suspect that mess in heaven was fixed some time ago.
I grew up with a story about a war in heaven.
Seems there was objection about who is to serve who.....?
One third of heaven fell for the objection.

Ask me.....I have a routine answer for this.

 

[mystic64]

Well, if you're having fun now.....just hang on a bit longer!

....and the blood shall raise to the bridals of the horses.....

So I've heard!

And I suspect that mess in heaven was fixed some time ago.
I grew up with a story about a war in heaven.
Seems there was objection about who is to serve who.....?
One third of heaven fell for the objection.

Ask me.....I have a routine answer for this.

Thief I am interested in a routine answer. It has to be related to, "God's responsibility somehow ."

Well if horses are involved, then most of it will be horses' because they are bigger.

A lot of folks claim that the Heaven mess has been solved, but I haven't seen any indications yet that Satan is really upset (yet ) because his time is short. Everything seems to be going 'same old same old', so far. If one were inclined to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, one would be inclined to say that Evil is feeling pretty "cocky" right now and not at all concerned about its time being short. But the Heaven mess might be in the mop up stage?

 

[Thief]

Thief I am interested in a routine answer. It has to be related to, "God's responsibility somehow ."

Well if horses are involved, then most of it will be horses' because they are bigger.

A lot of folks claim that the Heaven mess has been solved, but I haven't seen any indications yet that Satan is really upset (yet ) because his time is short. Everything seems to be going 'same old same old', so far. If one were inclined to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, one would be inclined to say that Evil is feeling pretty "cocky" right now and not at all concerned about its time being short. But the Heaven mess might be in the mop up stage?

Ok...here it comes again....I've been posting this for five years....
lived with it all of my life....not sure where I got it....

According to Psalms, Man was created a little less than the angels.
So what is Man that God is mindful of him?

I go on in my own way....
That Man is less, the angelic are bigger, faster, stronger, more intelligent and greatly experienced.
They cannot be pushed aside, circumvented, subdued, tricked or cheated.
They stand guard, the peace of heaven and with sword in hand.

Yet God said unto them......'Man is less than you are. Therefore stride behind him and see to it....that he stub not his toe nor his head!'

One third of heaven said ....'NAY! that Man is less then he should be made to serve us!'

There's nothing wrong with that logic.

We humans do so unto anything less than we are.
We bridle HORSES and break their spirits....force them to take us wherever we please.

The dog hunts in pack and at will.
But we take his freedom with collar and chain.
We forbid he bites the hand that feeds him.....and we expect loyalty.

We cage little birds for their love songs.
But that creature will never find the mate he sings for.
There will no nest, no offspring.
He will die in confinement....alone.

We kill insects, just because we don't like them.

To WHOM do we bear resemblance?!!!!!
We do unto lesser things as we please.
If they won't serve us they die....and many do so anyway.

We do so again, unto each other.
To WHOM do we bear resemblance?

A fight broke out...brother angle against brother angel.
One third of heaven fell for an argument for something that looks like us!
One third of heaven lost their positions for that argument.
They want us dead.

Two thirds of heaven lost their brethren for an argument for something that looks like us.
They might not care.....

And latter on, as we are brought to the table of the Lord and seated beside the angelic.....
what look shall they have in their eye?....as something less then sits where the lost brethren once held position?

Is it really fair?....to have lost your angelic brother and something less takes his place?

 

[mystic64]

Ok...here it comes again....I've been posting this for five years....
lived with it all of my life....not sure where I got it....

According to Psalms, Man was created a little less than the angels.
So what is Man that God is mindful of him?

Is it really fair?....to have lost your angelic brother and something less takes his place?

Humm? "Yet God said unto them......'Man is less than you are. Therefore stride behind him and see to it....that he stub not his toe nor his head!" Sounds like a personal problem to me . I guess the question would be, "less in what sense?" I don't really know to much about Angels Thief my friend, but I will make a stab at this anyway. After all a lack of knowledge really has absolutely nothing to to with anything .

My experience as a young mystic was to call in an angel (I was close to the angels at the time) to protect something that I held dear. The angel that showed up to help me was huge. The earth shook when he walked. I was quite happy with him and ready to take on all comers. Another smaller angel appeared on a hill and a stream of golden energy came from his sword (my angel didn't have a sword) and flowed into the camp of those that I was apprehensive about. From there everything went down hill for me. It took a few years but all eventually became totally lost. And I do not have anything to do with angels ever since.

"It is just not fair." Is an interesting reality. Angels were built for war and they really do not have any other purpose. And they are kind of emotionally cold. Which, makes them not all that emotionally attached to each other. And to be honest with you they are not all that bright either. Folks say that Satan is/was jealous and that that was/is why he is doing what he is doing. I am inclined to think that he is more concerned about being replaced by humankind.

We were created in the image of God and His sons, the angels were not. They will never have the potential that we do. Yes the angels are bigger and tougher than we are right now, but we are young yet and just getting started. Based on my experience as a mystic the potential of humans is awesome. Angels have reached their peak and they will never be able to keep up with us once we really get started. Thief you have no idea of the potential of the human mind, angels just plain do not have that potiental. Satan knows that and he is making a last dich effort to save his kind. But in the end he can not win. Maybe ?

 

[Thief]

I do believe the angelic have influence...though not as pronounced as your experience.

And I am much more concerned my reception in the hour of my last breath.

I believe the peace of heaven is guarded.
The angelic might not allow entry to all.

 

[mystic64]

I do believe the angelic have influence...though not as pronounced as your experience.

And I am much more concerned my reception in the hour of my last breath.

I believe the peace of heaven is guarded.
The angelic might not allow entry to all.

Well Thief my friend, all I can do is share my experiences as a mystic with you. And they may or may not be helpful. I first met God and Lord Jesus with my first prayer when I was five years old and up until that time I didn't know that they existed. After the mystical expereince (for lack of any other term) that I experienced with that first prayer, my goal in life has always been to get to know those guys and to try to find a way to be a part of whatever it is that they are doing. And Lord Jesus is now, after years of battling my own personal ignorance, my Master, Guru, Lord, and Savior. And we have become very close. God not so much .

One day in my early thirties I was doing my daily meditations and mind exercises and Lord Jesus came to me and asked me if I would like to visit first level Heaven. I said sure. I found myself sitting in a sunshiny place on the edge of a bunch of happy busy people. I sat quietly because I didn't want to disturb them. One beautiful person separated out from the busyness and approach me carrying a bundle. They asked me if I would like to help? I said sure. They handed me the bundle and said, "This is the Heart of Creation, hold it with love." I took the bundle and held it in my arms with love. After alittle while of doing that my attention wandered and I instantly found my self in a different place with a beautiful arabic looking young woman sitting in my lap with her arms around me. She was smiling and happy that I was there. I heard a commotion and turned and saw a group of arabic looking women coming toward me and they seemed happy that I was there. They were all breath takingly beautiful. At the time that I had this experience I did not know that there was a Muslem Paradise I didn't find out about that until years later. I thought that the whole thing was great, but I did not know where I was at and I didn't really feel worthy of the love and adoration that I was being shown. So I carefully set the young lady off of my lap and thanked everybody for their welcome and then left.

Lord Jesus has taken me to visit first level Heaven and He has taken me to visit Muslem Paradise. Both places are real . So Thief I am not worried about getting into Heaven. I have a close relationship with Lord Jesus and I have already been there. Because I am uncomfortable being around a large group of happy busy people, I am somewhat autistic, I do hope that there is a quiet place in Heaven where my wife can work in her garden and I can sit out on the front porch of a small cabin and meditate for a few thousand years .

 

[Draupadi]

Different people have different visions of heaven, hell and God. So afterlife is a really confusing matter for me.

 

[Nakosis]

I do believe the angelic have influence...though not as pronounced as your experience.

And I am much more concerned my reception in the hour of my last breath.

I believe the peace of heaven is guarded.
The angelic might not allow entry to all.

How do you know when that hour might be?
Might as well be concern with now, each moment of existence because it might be your last.

I just try to be the best person I can at each moment and hope it is good enough. I can't be and I don't want to pretend to be something I am not.

Whatever the next moment brings I will accept it while still trying to be the best person I can be. I don't suspect pretending to be worthy of something I am not will fool God. So this is it, this is who I am. If it is sufficient then great, if not then that's the reality. No regrets.

 

[Nakosis]

Different people have different visions of heaven, hell and God. So afterlife is a really confusing matter for me.

Now is important.

If/when an afterlife come about. I will deal with it with as much truth and honesty as I can muster.

 

[Draupadi]

Believe me I am not scared of afterlife at all. I believe that it is the beginning of another journey. If it has any obstacles I think I can overcome it. I believe that we are more than dolls used to decorate heaven and hell.

 

[Thief]

How do you know when that hour might be?
Might as well be concern with now, each moment of existence because it might be your last.

I just try to be the best person I can at each moment and hope it is good enough. I can't be and I don't want to pretend to be something I am not.

Whatever the next moment brings I will accept it while still trying to be the best person I can be. I don't suspect pretending to be worthy of something I am not will fool God. So this is it, this is who I am. If it is sufficient then great, if not then that's the reality. No regrets.

All but the last two words.

If the angels of heaven turn about and leave you where you fell.....
someone else behind you will laugh.

Not sure if it will be regret that you might feel.

 

[Thief]

Well Thief my friend, all I can do is share my experiences as a mystic with you. .

And for you.....I take you to my first sense of memory....

I was a boy, out of bed in the middle of the night.
Sitting on the floor with my arms on the window sill looking out into the night.

My parents owned the gas station next door.
My father was working with a blow torch.
I could not see him, but watched as the sparks came flying out of the doorway.

Cars on the main road.
Street lights.
Stars overhead.
The night was all lit up.

And I said to myself...if God made all of this....He is truly wonderful.

A chill ran over me, in spite of the warm summer breeze coming in the window.

Years later, first summer out of high school.....
I was bored and laid back on my bed for a nap.

I found myself among the stars.
The earth and all that I ever knew was gone.

But I was not surprised nor afraid.

I felt as if I had found my way home.

After waking up....I realized my true sense of direction.
I also realize there is discipline required to return.

 

[idav]

And for you.....I take you to my first sense of memory....

I was a boy, out of bed in the middle of the night.
Sitting on the floor with my arms on the window sill looking out into the night.

My parents owned the gas station next door.
My father was working with a blow torch.
I could not see him, but watched as the sparks came flying out of the doorway.

Cars on the main road.
Street lights.
Stars overhead.
The night was all lit up.

And I said to myself...if God made all of this....He is truly wonderful.

A chill ran over me, in spite of the warm summer breeze coming in the window.

Years later, first summer out of high school.....
I was bored and laid back on my bed for a nap.

I found myself among the stars.
The earth and all that I ever knew was gone.

But I was not surprised nor afraid.

I felt as if I had found my way home.

After waking up....I realized my true sense of direction.
I also realize there is discipline required to return.

Is it our fault when we have the will to know and fail?

 

[s2a]

Say some scientist creates a perfect robot with freewill and decides to let it loose on the world. Then the robot decides to murder most of humanity because it became evil. Is that the robots fault or the scientist who let it loose on the world?

Dr. Frankenstein, is that you?

There doesn't seem to be justification for god with this, if he intentionally allowed evil then it follows it is gods fault. Even despite some gift of free will, we would put our creations on a leash or face the consequences.

Perhaps the most simple answer is the best one available?

We do not require a "god" to rationalize/explain human existence.

Just a thought.....