God's Trinity

[sojourner]

Depends on what,
in the morning for the son
in the evening for his dad.

the type of prayer, for one thing. Mostly I just pray to God, and God comes as God will.

 

[FearGod]

the type of prayer, for one thing. Mostly I just pray to God, and God comes as God will.

i know you pray to god,but your god is 3 parts,
so when you call god,you call jesus or his father

 

[loverOfTruth]

... Mostly I just pray to God, and God comes as God will.

Then why worship something other than God (Jesus(pbuh), Holy Ghost etc.) ? If during prayer you can think of the being as One (God) then you should be able to worship that One being (God) without thinking of the 3 parts ... otherwise, you are only playing with your mind. And as the Bible states that the father is greater than the son, he must have the greater authority to listen and accept your prayers, so why do you need the others ? If the others can't even answer your prayers, how can they save you ? And if you claim that they can, then what is the role of the father - just sitting and watching ?

 

[sojourner]

i know you pray to god,but your god is 3 parts,
so when you call god,you call jesus or his father

Or...
God!:areyoucra

 

[sojourner]

Then why worship something other than God (Jesus(pbuh), Holy Ghost etc.) ? If during prayer you can think of the being as One (God) then you should be able to worship that One being (God) without thinking of the 3 parts ... otherwise, you are only playing with your mind. And as the Bible states that the father is greater than the son, he must have the greater authority to listen and accept your prayers, so why do you need the others ? If the others can't even answer your prayers, how can they save you ? And if you claim that they can, then what is the role of the father - just sitting and watching ?

God is one Being in 3 persons. I can imagine God as a particularity or as a universality, as I need at the time. The others can and do "answer prayer," because they are not "others." They are God.

 

[FearGod]

God is one Being in 3 persons. I can imagine God as a particularity or as a universality, as I need at the time. The others can and do "answer prayer," because they are not "others." They are God.

so when jesus was worshipping the father,he was worshipping himself,
because jesus is part of god (trinity).

i wonder how it is easy to understand that the trinity is a false concept,but
still some accept it blindly.

You want to believe that a man born in bethlehem was your god,so good luck,my mission is finished.

 

[loverOfTruth]

God is one Being in 3 persons. I can imagine God as a particularity or as a universality, as I need at the time. The others can and do "answer prayer," because they are not "others." They are God.

"One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God." (Luke 6:12)

"Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, 'My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will'. " (Matthew 26:39)

Then why did Jesus(pbuh) pray to the Father and preferred the Father's will over his own will as stated above? It clearly shows a higher degree of authority of one over the other.

"But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (Matthew 6:6)

AND

Jesus’ Teaching on Prayer in Luke 11
1 One day Jesus was praying in a certain place. When he finished, one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, just as John taught his disciples.”
2 He said to them, “When you pray, say:
“‘Father,[a]
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come.
3 Give us each day our daily bread.
4 Forgive us our sins,
for we also forgive everyone who sins against us.[c]
And lead us not into temptation.[d]’”

Also, as you can see the Bible asks you to pray to the Father (not all 3). Does the Bible anywhere state that you should pray to Jesus unambiguously ? If you are supposed to pray to Jesus, I would imagine that the Bible would state that clearly. If it doesn't state that, Jesus must not have the authority to listen to/answer your prayers. And if that is the case, Jesus can't save you either - only the Father(who is the God Almighty) can.

 

[sojourner]

so when jesus was worshipping the father,he was worshipping himself,
because jesus is part of god (trinity).

Worship involves a reciprocity -- a relationship. Jesus evened out the relationship a bit.

i wonder how it is easy to understand that the trinity is a false concept,but
still some accept it blindly.

I wonder how it is easy to understand that the Trinity isn't a false concept, but still some reject it blindly?

You want to believe that a man born in bethlehem was your god,so good luck,my mission is finished.

Finally! 'Bout time!

 

[sojourner]

Then why did Jesus(pbuh) pray to the Father and preferred the Father's will over his own will as stated above? It clearly shows a higher degree of authority of one over the other.

Well...
Jesus was fully human, after all.

Also, as you can see the Bible asks you to pray to the Father (not all 3). Does the Bible anywhere state that you should pray to Jesus unambiguously ? If you are supposed to pray to Jesus, I would imagine that the Bible would state that clearly. If it doesn't state that, Jesus must not have the authority to listen to/answer your prayers. And if that is the case, Jesus can't save you either - only the Father(who is the God Almighty) can.

You seem to assume a lot of authority for the Bible that just isn't there.

 

[loverOfTruth]

Well...
Jesus was fully human, after all.

You seem to assume a lot of authority for the Bible that just isn't there.

I asked a simple question : Does the Bible anywhere state that you should pray to Jesus unambiguously ?

My understanding is that it doesn't, instead, it asks you to pray to the Father as I have shown you from some biblical statements. If I am wrong I'll be happy to accept it on this point, if you can show me from the Bible.

And how can he be fully human and fully God at the same time ? If he was fully human, who was running the show while he was on earth (only 2 out of the 3 part of God) ?

 

[sojourner]

I asked a simple question : Does the Bible anywhere state that you should pray to Jesus unambiguously ?

Should it?

My understanding is that it doesn't, instead, it asks you to pray to the Father as I have shown you from some biblical statements. If I am wrong I'll be happy to accept it on this point, if you can show me from the Bible.

Jesus' teachings are from a human POV. Since Jesus, as a fully human being, prayed to the Father, so should we. But Jesus is also ascended now. Therefore, being God, it's OK to pray to Jesus, too.

And how can he be fully human and fully God at the same time ?

I don't know. That's part of the mystery. If we understood it, we'd be fully Divine.

If he was fully human, who was running the show while he was on earth?

God.

 

[loverOfTruth]

Should it?
Jesus' teachings are from a human POV. Since Jesus, as a fully human being, prayed to the Father, so should we. But Jesus is also ascended now. Therefore, being God, it's OK to pray to Jesus, too.

If that is the case, Jesus should have at least mentioned once that once he ascends back to heaven that you can pray to him. Is there any biblical verse that states that ? Or does it always say to pray to the Father ? Otherwise, it is as if he didn't complete his teaching and also then the praying to Jesus part is man made.

You ignored this part. If he was fully human, who was running the show while he was on earth (as you know 1 of the 3 was on earth) ? So only 2 of the 3 part of God was running the show (cause you consider God to be 3 parts)? In essence an incomplete God was running the show ?

 

[Student of X]

I don't know. That's part of the mystery. If we understood it, we'd be fully Divine.

And fully human.

 

[sojourner]

If that is the case, Jesus should have at least mentioned once that once he ascends back to heaven that you can pray to him.

Why?

Is there any biblical verse that states that ? Or does it always say to pray to the Father ?

What is this compulsion you feel to twist Xy into a Biblical religion. It isn't. The Bible is part of the Tradition of the religion, but the religion isn't based upon it. In fact, there were no Greek texts until years after Jesus was gone.

it is as if he didn't complete his teaching and also then the praying to Jesus part is man made.

So? Should the religion not be "man made?" The religion is there for humanity's sake, not God's.

You ignored this part. If he was fully human, who was running the show while he was on earth

I didn't ignore it -- you just don't get it. God was running the show. I believe I said that. Don't you think that God is everywhere? God wasn't "just on earth."

(cause you consider God to be 3 parts)?

No, I consider God to be One. God doesn't have "parts."

In essence an incomplete God was running the show ?

If God is One, how can God be "incomplete?"

 

[sojourner]

And fully human.

Yup.

 

[FearGod]

You ignored this part. If he was fully human, who was running the show while he was on earth (as you know 1 of the 3 was on earth) ? So only 2 of the 3 part of God was running the show (cause you consider God to be 3 parts)? In essence an incomplete God was running the show ?

God when he decided to die because he love us and want to forgive our sins and
our bad deeds,he programmed the universe to work for 3 days automatically while
he was absent (killing himself),then after the sacrifice and the pains he returned
back to his work,that make sense and easy to understand

 

[sojourner]

God when he decided to die because he love us and want to forgive our sins and
our bad deeds,he programmed the universe to work for 3 days automatically while
he was absent (killing himself),then after the sacrifice and the pains he returned
back to his work,that make sense and easy to understand

God's humanity died -- not God's Divinity.

 

[jasonwill2]

It is a spurious doctrine invented in the 2nd century that none of the Disciples or earliest Church Fathers would have had any idea about that involves distorted use and abuse of the grammar of the texts and interpolated verses like 1 John 5:7, and reliant on invented grammar concepts like "Colwell's rule", it is Polytheistic to Orthodox Jews (and rightfully so), and is otherwise an abomination, and in most respects, most Trinitarians use what is actually Modalistic/Sabellian terms to define their belief in what is really just a form of Modalism.

The general concensus of the doctrine is that it is impossible for the human mind to understand, therefore basically dubbing it illogical. It also involves completely rewriting concepts like "Monotheism" and doing away with the idea that the Israelites believed in beings called "gods", and ignoring the anarthrous use of the word "Theos" which means "a god", in both the gospels as well as "Church Father" writings like that of Iraneus and Origen where it is clear that they meant to say "a god" but the Trinitaiian translators render it as "God" as if such grammar does not matter. Without the Trinity, 99% of all so-called "Christian" "churches" would lose their spinal cord and crumble apart. Thus, it is in their vested interest to support this ancient distortion of the scripture. It should also be in the interest of all those against Western so-called "Christianity" to recognize this.

There, explained.

I was going to thread-hop onto this and go on about how it's like split personalities and make some joke, but this blew me away. Frubals for you!

 

[FearGod]

God's humanity died -- not God's Divinity.

So why you do say that god died for your sins,so god didnt die.
did you see that you contradict yourself.

debating with you is a fun.
God died for our sins

 

[FearGod]

God's humanity died -- not God's Divinity.

God humanity died,so god is 2 now,not 3.
the humanity one jesus has died for our sins.
that is really funny