Gonna pull an all nighter at a cemetery

[Mickdrew]

Damn, I wanna spend a night in a haunted house now ^^

 

[YmirGF]

Why so negative. I have heard of a lot of paranormal activity associated with graveyards even if it doesn't fit some people's conception of how the universe works. I know my son and his girlfriend at the time had a message come through a Ouija board. It was an old Kentucky graveyard near her relatives house and the message was .'Dont ask nufin'. ?????

GO for it Pope and let us know!

I guess my derision is based on the idea that you do not have to go to any particular places in order to seek out the "unknown reality". It's all around us, if we would only let ourselves perceive. I suppose though, that if one needs these superfluous things and places to kindle a more conducive mindset then theoretically reality could mold itself to expectations. Human animals certainly are given to their amusing notions of what is and what is not possible however. It is my view that people who are a deeply affected by this kind of charade have little understanding or appreciation of and for the power of imagination. What they experience is the result of their own unexamined sub-conscious beliefs about the nature of reality.

 

[George-ananda]

I guess my derision is based on the idea that you do not have to go to any particular places in order to seek out the "unknown reality". It's all around us, if we would only let ourselves perceive. I suppose though, that if one needs these superfluous things and places to kindle a more conducive mindset then theoretically reality could mold itself to expectations. Human animals certainly are given to their amusing notions of what is and what is not possible however. It is my view that people who are a deeply affected by this kind of charade have little understanding or appreciation of and for the power of imagination. What they experience is the result of their own unexamined sub-conscious beliefs about the nature of reality.

My thought is that there would objectively be more real paranormal energy to experience at a graveyard than at a strip mall.

 

[Spiderman]

I guess my derision is based on the idea that you do not have to go to any particular places in order to seek out the "unknown reality". It's all around us, if we would only let ourselves perceive. I suppose though, that if one needs these superfluous things and places to kindle a more conducive mindset then theoretically reality could mold itself to expectations. Human animals certainly are given to their amusing notions of what is and what is not possible however. It is my view that people who are a deeply affected by this kind of charade have little understanding or appreciation of and for the power of imagination. What they experience is the result of their own unexamined sub-conscious beliefs about the nature of reality.

Or just something I've never done before and feel like doing... I enjoy parks, cemeteries, groves, mountains, shrines, and basilicas.

If you enjoyed being at such places and felt more connections with the sacred, you would probably behave in a similar way.

Monotheists make up more than half of the world's population, Hindus make up another billion, not sure what pagans, shamans, and other faiths make up, but the majority of the world believes in Angels, God(s), or spirit -people of some sort.

Perhaps such an overwhelmingly popular conviction isn't just the product of imagination alone.

 

[YmirGF]

My thought is that there would objectively be more real paranormal energy to experience at a graveyard than at a strip mall.

That is what I mean though, George. That is what you think. That is what you believe and so reality would simply be forced to mold itself to your expectations.

 

[YmirGF]

Or just something I've never done before and feel like doing... I enjoy parks, cemeteries, groves, mountains, shrines, and basilicas.

I don't have any real objections to doing just that either. It's doing it with unrealistic expectations that is a bit odd.

If you enjoyed being at such places and felt more connections with the sacred, you would probably behave in a similar way.

This perfectly illustrates my point. It is the belief that these areas are sacred that triggers the imagination and can result in an experience that seems very real due to not appreciating the nature of imagination and its inherent power. Personally, I have no use for ideas such as sacred, evil... etc. That some human animals do have a use for such imaginative concepts isn't particularly impressive.

Monotheists make up more than half of the world's population, Hindus make up another billion, not sure what pagans, shamans, and other faiths make up, but the majority of the world believes in Angels, God(s), or spirit -people of some sort.

And the vast majority have little understanding of their own psyche, imagination and reality and are rarely in any position to make claims of any significance.

Perhaps such an overwhelmingly popular conviction isn't just the product of imagination alone.

The sad fact is 1/2 the population on Earth is not especially bright and is given to fanciful explanations on subjects they do not understand.

 

[Spiderman]

I guess I have no expectations other than a night of prayer on some interesting consecrated ground....some people have interesting stories of what took place when they did so...

My guess is it will be an empowering and peaceful experience, but nothing really unusual than having spent the night in prayer and meditation elsewhere.

And the experiences or messages received when in prayer, I always treat with skepticism, for I know the power of the imagination, hysteria, wishful thinking, etc.

As far as expectations? Well, not really expecting anything.

 

[Spiderman]

I Just visited the place... Guess it's illegal....trespassing illegally just seems disrespectful both to the law but also to the faithful departed...I'm kinda bummed now.

Ah well.... As much as I enjoy visiting such places, spending all night there would have been a bit excessive...I've just read some interesting stories from people who have and was hoping it might be a practice that would bring me more into communion with the world of the dead.

 

[Perditus]

I'd like to do that, but where I'm from it's illegal to be in a cemetery between dusk and dawn.

I spend a lot of time at my brother's grave. Lots of unresolved issues there. Being in the cemetery gives me a profound sense of peace, especially since he is there. I know he isn't there in a literal sense, but to be near his mortal remains feels like a tenuous connection.

I have many regrets, which are the principal drive behind my visits there.

The OP's plans strike me as somewhat sacrilegious.

 

[Spiderman]

I'd like to do that, but where I'm from it's illegal to be in a cemetery between dusk and dawn.

I spend a lot of time at my brother's grave. Lots of unresolved issues there. Being in the cemetery gives me a profound sense of peace, especially since he is there. I know he isn't there in a literal sense, but to be near his mortal remains feels like a tenuous connection.

I have many regrets, which are the principal drive behind my visits there.

The OP's plans strike me as somewhat sacrilegious.

There have been indulgences granted for visiting cemeteries and praying for the souls in a state of purification (purgatory ).

I decided not to for the reasons you mentioned.... It is illegal and might tick off the spirits.

I'll keep my visits to cemeteries legal and without the pomp or racket that might not be appreciated or respectful.... That seems to be the answer I've received after further reflection

 

[lovesong]

It isn't tonight but Sunday night and Monday morning.... I'll make a little YouTube lol.... Go ahead though, please let me know what you see attracts the spirit-people... Even if I don't try the same methods, it may still be insightful to hear your take on it or experience

My practice involves a lot of the things you seem to want to avoid. I set up either an adapted version of the triangle of Solomon or Solomon's circle, depending on how confident I feel (the triangle allows for much closer interaction, more invocation vs. evocation), sometimes if I'm feeling extra gutsy I'll just go at it without either. I set candles, specific stones, and incense around appropriately. I use a handful of different methods, just depending how I feel that day, to actually communicate with the dead. The simplest would be just to speak, and be spoken to. The more elaborate would include blood, burning herbs, the smoke from them, stones, dust, dirt, chips of gravestone, bones, something reflective to scry in (I don't like mirrors, I have a small reflective onyx disc I use), offerings of food, and other items that attract and persuade the dead. I will chant, sing, call to the gods, call to the dead, and hum seductive tunes. I dress in loose dark clothes (partially to blend in at night, the color is more of a personal effect thing), a whole host of significant jewelry items, including stones, precious metals, bones, and symbols, and sometimes during the process of the events I will put face paint of blood or dirt on. Of course the whole process requires a very deep meditation and contemplation of the universe and the dead, it is just as important to me that I feel death embrace me as it is that the dead themselves come to me.
I'd be interested to hear your methods in more detail too sometime, if you don't mind.

 

[George-ananda]

That is what I mean though, George. That is what you think. That is what you believe and so reality would simply be forced to mold itself to your expectations.

Or perhaps something in reality and the collective experience is what has helped create the heightened expectations??

 

[lovesong]

There have been indulgences granted for visiting cemeteries and praying for the souls in a state of purification (purgatory ).

I decided not to for the reasons you mentioned.... It is illegal and might tick off the spirits.

I'll keep my visits to cemeteries legal and without the pomp or racket that might not be appreciated or respectful.... That seems to be the answer I've received after further reflection

The laws are only in place to prevent crimes. The dead could care less what time you choose to visit. We often pick the night time for a number of reasons. We will not be seen in our rituals, noises are few and nobody else is around to disturb us, and it is easier for us, as humans to come to a deeper state of meditation and connection with the dead when we are in the dark. The dark and our sleep deprivation tricks our senses, being alone at night in a cemetery challenges us to feel fear but embrace it, and as we open ourselves up to fear and use nature's tools as a catalyst to deep meditation we become more open to the energy of death that is condensed there always. The night is not significant in itself other than the way it helps us humans get to the state we need to be in, just like using alcohol or other substances puts us in desired states for other rituals. Going at night disrespects no one, and if you are caught you will just be asked to leave if you explain that you are meditating or praying for the dead. I would suggest avoiding gated cemeteries as you do have to break in to get there at night, but public cemeteries that have no gate are always just a walk away and a simple "I didn't know it was closed at night, sorry!" will be perfectly accepted if you aren't causing trouble. Just sit in the back or middle, wherever you won't be seen by drivers on surrounding roads. Find the darkest spot to conceal yourself and keep your fire to a minimum.

 

[Perditus]

This thread disturbs me.

 

[lovesong]

This thread disturbs me.

Why?

 

[Spiderman]

The laws are only in place to prevent crimes. The dead could care less what time you choose to visit. We often pick the night time for a number of reasons. We will not be seen in our rituals, noises are few and nobody else is around to disturb us, and it is easier for us, as humans to come to a deeper state of meditation and connection with the dead when we are in the dark. The dark and our sleep deprivation tricks our senses, being alone at night in a cemetery challenges us to feel fear but embrace it, and as we open ourselves up to fear and use nature's tools as a catalyst to deep meditation we become more open to the energy of death that is condensed there always. The night is not significant in itself other than the way it helps us humans get to the state we need to be in, just like using alcohol or other substances puts us in desired states for other rituals. Going at night disrespects no one, and if you are caught you will just be asked to leave if you explain that you are meditating or praying for the dead. I would suggest avoiding gated cemeteries as you do have to break in to get there at night, but public cemeteries that have no gate are always just a walk away and a simple "I didn't know it was closed at night, sorry!" will be perfectly accepted if you aren't causing trouble. Just sit in the back or middle, wherever you won't be seen by drivers on surrounding roads. Find the darkest spot to conceal yourself and keep your fire to a minimum.

Thanks, there is a bus going to another cemetery that I can catch at midnight...I know that one is open at night but I just don't care for it as much cuz it's a ways away and not away from the city and cars like this other one. The one nearby has a big fence I'd have to jump. I went there today and oddly enough there was a security officer patroling right there (which ive never seen at a cemetery [a sign perhaps] lol...im on probation and don't want to get some fine or new charge ya know

 

[Perditus]

Why?

My brother was a deeply faithful Catholic. He was buried in consecrated ground at his church.

That there are people practicing pagan and/or demonic rituals in cemeteries, even possibly his, disturbs me.

It's disrespectful to the dead and the living they have left behind.

 

[Perditus]

chips of gravestone

So you vandalize as well.

 

[lovesong]

Thanks, there is a bus going to another cemetery that I can catch at midnight...I know that one is open at night but I just don't care for it as much cuz it's a ways away and not away from the city and cars like this other one. The one nearby has a big fence I'd have to jump. I went there today and oddly enough there was a security officer patroling right there (which ive never seen at a cemetery [a sign perhaps] lol...im on probation and don't want to get some fine or new charge ya know

Ahhh, yeah, being on probation might make it riskier, especially when people patrol. Around me there are a number of smaller, completely open cemeteries that are easy to just walk into and sit down in, so I don't think much of it. I guess living by a city would make it harder to find peaceful open ones. Maybe you could try bringing the cemetery to you? Gather some dust from on top the gravestones, some earth from around them, and any little chips or stones by them, put them all in a bad, and bring them to an open field or forest. Scatter them around you and try doing your plans like that. It would bring some of the energy of the cemetery and of death there and the spirits from the graves that you collected dirt around would still probably come to you if you called respectfully.

 

[lovesong]

My brother was a deeply faithful Catholic. He was buried in consecrated ground at his church.

That there are people practicing pagan and/or demonic rituals in cemeteries, even possibly his, disturbs me.

It's disrespectful to the dead and the living they have left behind.

Ok, so you just have a personal religious objection to our practices. That's fair enough, I have objection to certain Christian practices too. Too each their own.

So you vandalize as well.

No I do not. As gravestones age they weather and chips can fall off of them. Using pieces of the stones that have naturally fallen off while in the graveyard isn't vandalizing. I am not causing the damage. I would never disrespect the dead by violating the sanctity of their marker.