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Gonna pull an all nighter at a cemetery

Spiderman

Veteran Member
My practice involves a lot of the things you seem to want to avoid. I set up either an adapted version of the triangle of Solomon or Solomon's circle, depending on how confident I feel (the triangle allows for much closer interaction, more invocation vs. evocation), sometimes if I'm feeling extra gutsy I'll just go at it without either. I set candles, specific stones, and incense around appropriately. I use a handful of different methods, just depending how I feel that day, to actually communicate with the dead. The simplest would be just to speak, and be spoken to. The more elaborate would include blood, burning herbs, the smoke from them, stones, dust, dirt, chips of gravestone, bones, something reflective to scry in (I don't like mirrors, I have a small reflective onyx disc I use), offerings of food, and other items that attract and persuade the dead. I will chant, sing, call to the gods, call to the dead, and hum seductive tunes. I dress in loose dark clothes (partially to blend in at night, the color is more of a personal effect thing), a whole host of significant jewelry items, including stones, precious metals, bones, and symbols, and sometimes during the process of the events I will put face paint of blood or dirt on. Of course the whole process requires a very deep meditation and contemplation of the universe and the dead, it is just as important to me that I feel death embrace me as it is that the dead themselves come to me.
I'd be interested to hear your methods in more detail too sometime, if you don't mind. :)
Yeah...I don't really summon Spirits but believe that we are connected to God as Scripture says "We are one body in Christ" and so we are connected to the souls in Heaven and the Kingdom of Heaven is in our midst and in our hearts where the spirit of God dwells.

The dead seemed to have contacted me in jail. There is a murdered girl who I began to feel, see, dream about, and write letters to. When I'd write letters to her, I'd feel this euphoria, sweetness, see interesting things in my imagination, feel energy like I was on crack cocaine, and feel what I call "A blimp in the bosom" ( it felt like a balloon was expanding in my chest, making it hard to breathe or move)...

She wanted me to write prayers and blessings for her on her new journey and it seemed it was exalting her standing in heaven cuz I could see her smiling and wearing a crown when I'd honor or praise her, and it seemed to be consoling her and her Mother who now has joined her.

After I got out it seemed she wanted me to buy some pretty frames, put her photograph on my wall, make a shrine for her at a park and in the woods with stones, plant flowers, make visits, sing happy birthday to her and some other murderer victims on their birthdays, pray for those who are in a state of purification and preparing for heaven.

She likes it when I buy her scented candles and place them before her pictures (She calls them candy and likes the lavender and cinnamon bread scented ones :) ).

We get donated lots of bread and extra meat, so she apparently wants me to offer it up on bon-fires in the woods while chanting latin hymns I learned in monasteries and some songs she apparently taught me. Apparently she wants me to purchase flags of different nations, pray to the nation's patron Saint and pray with all the souls that suffered, labored, and died for those countries for their nation's healing, prosperity, and morals.

When I pray to her, I get rushes of energy, or sometimes the opposite (feeling the life sucked out of me), sometimes goosebumps, rising in body temperature, drops in body temperature. keep a wooden box above my bed with her image where I keep a candle burning all night, write letters and prayer intentions, and place them before the pic.

Apparently she also wants me to tape pics of various souls who suffered , didn't have a proper burial, or whose corpses were abused (Apparently, if someone is murdered or their remains are abused, it affects them and we can console and make reparation by honoring them.)

However, I don't need to go through any real ritual to make contact with her. It seems she is like a guardian Angel or patron Saint of some sort assigned to me. I pray she take my life soon so I can join her on the other side and we can continue this journey with more clarity in how we relate to each other.

This is all based much on things that many would say could just be schitzophrenic delusion or all in my head, but thing is, it revolutionized my life, and prior to my experience with her, (which was less than two years ago) I never had such experiences.

Also, the only coin I found in the 11 months I was in jail was a 1974 penny, dated the year she died. I also called my Dad to find out if she was French because I could see her with Joan of Arc, Napoleon, and French Saints, would see the country of France, and start seeing french flags in the blocks on the wall and find a magazine open to a French flag.

I called my Dad to find out if her last name was french, and he said "It's swedish. Did you know you have some swedish on your Mom's side?" I didn't know that. The football team here is called the vikings (Swedes were vikings). I got out and my roomate was Swedish, was at a treatment center in a Swedish neighborhood and drove by a castle-like building every day called "the Swedish institute".

So, I keep a Swedish flag on my wall to always remind me that I'd not know I had Swedish in me were it not for her and there were many other interesting coincidences like that.

In Jail, I'd often hear her mom crying in the morning or have dreams. Her Mom never changed her room after the murderer and was in agony for the rest of her life. She never got her remains back to put at rest so created a shrine to her. So, I'm keeping up her Mother's tradition. People wont understand it, but by obeying these inspirations, it has lead to greater reward, peace, and joy, than anything else, so there is certainly plenty of motivation to continue with it. :)

Thanks for sharing your practices and I would thoroughly enjoy some of those practices as well no doubt, but with my history, I'd fear an unwanted spirit would get a hold of me which could lead back to relapse on drugs, legal problems, harming others or myself, so am very cautious with such things, because not just Christians, but also necromancers I've researched say it is very dangerous and can have disastrous consequences.
 
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
But of course, any experience I treat with skepticism, cuz even when spirits speak, they don't have a voicebox so it can be misinterpreted, especially when combined with the rush. Also, I know our own will, wishful thinking, and imagination can run wild or get in the way, so am always open to the possibility that I'm subject to error and lack of clarity in all this
 

lovesong

:D
Premium Member
@PopeADope
You're right, it can absolutely be dangerous, and hearing your backstory I can understand why you'd want to stay away from things that could lead you into danger. I have a greater respect for you and your practice after hearing your story and understanding why you do what you do. Your story with the girl is beautiful, and I'm jealous of how close you've become with her. That is such a sweet and tender relationship to have. There is an undoubtable underlying beauty in death and I respect you for seeing it too, even if we go about it differently, we are still taking our own road to the same place. I wish you lots of luck, whatever you choose to do. Keep us posted!
 
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Perditus

へびつかい座
Ok, so you just have a personal religious objection to our practices. That's fair enough, I have objection to certain Christian practices too. Too each their own.
I object because of my brother's faith, not mine. I am still on the path trying to figure out who I am spiritually.

My objection is, I think, reasonable. I want my brother's grave respected, and I think his fellow parishioners should also be respected in death.

While you may object to "certain Christian practices" I can't say I've seen Christians do anything equivalent to what you are doing in their cemeteries.
 

lovesong

:D
Premium Member
I object because of my brother's faith, not mine. I am still on the path trying to figure out who I am spiritually.

My objection is, I think, reasonable. I want my brother's grave respected, and I think his fellow parishioners should also be respected in death.

While you may object to "certain Christian practices" I can't say I've seen Christians do anything equivalent to what you are doing in their cemeteries.
What we are doing is praying, meditating, and trying to feel connected to the dead. Do you just consider any non-Christian prayer disrespectful? Even if that prayer is meant to honor the dead? Also, do Christians not also pray? Do they not light candles for the dead? Do they not visit cemeteries to feel connected to the departed?
 

Perditus

へびつかい座
What we are doing is praying, meditating, and trying to feel connected to the dead. Do you just consider any non-Christian prayer disrespectful? Even if that prayer is meant to honor the dead? Also, do Christians not also pray? Do they not light candles for the dead? Do they not visit cemeteries to feel connected to the departed?
You have mentioned painting your face with blood and/or dirt and you have talked about invocation. Invoking what?

This is not respectful behavior in a Christian cemetery.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
My brother was a deeply faithful Catholic. He was buried in consecrated ground at his church.

That there are people practicing pagan and/or demonic rituals in cemeteries, even possibly his, disturbs me.

It's disrespectful to the dead and the living they have left behind.
I agree that it's disrespectful. Best to let the dead rest, imo.
 

lovesong

:D
Premium Member
You have mentioned painting your face with blood and/or dirt and you have talked about invocation. Invoking what?

This is not respectful behavior in a Christian cemetery.
I sincerely doubt that most of us who practice the way I do would go to a Christian cemetery to do these things. The cemeteries I tend to find myself in are public, open to all faiths. As far as respect goes, what I find to be highly respectful gestures to the dead (such as painting my face) you may see as offensive, and vise versa. These are religious matters, and with that there will always be people who view them as bad in some way, such is life. I have every right to practice my faith in a public cemetery as you do.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I sincerely doubt that most of us who practice the way I do would go to a Christian cemetery to do these things. The cemeteries I tend to find myself in are public, open to all faiths. As far as respect goes, what I find to be highly respectful gestures to the dead (such as painting my face) you may see as offensive, and vise versa. These are religious matters, and with that there will always be people who view them as bad in some way, such is life. I have every right to practice my faith in a public cemetery as you do.
Cemeteries may be public in that anyone has the right to be buried there (which is what a "public cemetery" is; it does not mean the land is publicly owned and people have the right to do whatever they please there), but the plots are owned by those who purchased them/their family. If you're caught messing about in a graveyard, you could be charged with trespassing. There's also usually closing times and you're not supposed to be there at night. Performing invocations of the dead could be seen as desecration, as well.
 

lovesong

:D
Premium Member
Yes, you are free to disrespect people of a different faith.

I think that's called bigotry.
Is calling my practice bad not disrespectful to me just the same? I believe what I believe and visiting any location to pray is, I would say, much less bigoted than telling someone that the way they pray is disrespectful.
May I also kindly remind you that ridiculing others for their beliefs in this section is not allowed. I feel that calling the religious practice of another disrespectful in its nature is ridicule indeed, and for that reason I am going to stop replying to you now.
Cemeteries may be public in that anyone has the right to be buried there (which is what a "public cemetery" is; it does not mean the land is publicly owned and people have the right to do whatever they please there), but the plots are owned by those who purchased them/their family. If you're caught messing about in a graveyard, you could be charged with trespassing. There's also usually closing times and you're not supposed to be there at night. Performing invocations of the dead could be seen as desecration, as well.
Yes we absolutely do need to by mindful of the private plots and make sure not to cause damage to them, but there is no way that a person sitting in a graveyard, holding a few items, talking to themselves could be considered desecration. That's the beauty of religious freedom. I am free to sit by any grave I please and say any words I please. We've talked about dealing with the dead before. I told you then and I will reaffirm now that I never disrespect the dead or violate their resting places. I would never damage a gravestone, disrupt a body, or ruin their plot. I would never insult the dead, mistreat them, or fail to pay the proper respects to them. The whole purpose of necromancy is to become close to the dead, to honor and learn from them, not to cause any harm or disrespect. That is not the purpose and it is not the outcome, It never was and never will be. :)
 
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Perditus

へびつかい座
Practicing paganism and or Satanism in a Christian cemetery is blatant disrespect for people of that faith who are buried in that cemetery and disrespectful of their family's feelings as well.

This is a very different thing from your claim that I'm being disrespectful of your beliefs. I have said no such thing. You are free to pray in your own way. I just don't think you should do it in a Christian cemetery.
 

lovesong

:D
Premium Member
Practicing paganism and or Satanism in a Christian cemetery is blatant disrespect for people of that faith who are buried in that cemetery and disrespectful of their family's feelings as well.

This is a very different thing from your claim that I'm being disrespectful of your beliefs. I have said no such thing. You are free to pray in your own way. I just don't think you should do it in a Christian cemetery.
I sincerely doubt that most of us who practice the way I do would go to a Christian cemetery to do these things. The cemeteries I tend to find myself in are public, open to all faiths.
 

Onyx

Active Member
Premium Member
So, gonna bring some incense, candles, Hebrew prayer shawl, rosary, prayer book, and whatever to the cemetery, write novenas, chant, silence the mind, and try to establish deeper connection and communion with the souls on the other side.

A lot of miracles have allegedly taken place at tombs of Holy people, so there is something sacred about being on consecrated ground where people are buried.

Any recommendations for how I make the most of my time?

(I don't use Ouiji boards, blood, crystal balls, mirrors or use any occult methods that exorcists claim lead to Demonic possession. I strictly seek the souls in Heaven and some methods open up the doors to unwanted spirits from hell [or so they say ]. )
Special environments can have profound effects on the psyche, especially if they are significant to the individual. People pray in cemeteries all the time, and I see this as no different. And it sounds like you have your goals and code of ethics in place, so good luck.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Would you do what you do in a Muslim cemetery?
I'd like to see the Muslims reacting to your rituals in their cemeteries.
Your reading comprehension level leaves much to be desired. A public cemetery is a public cemetery. There happen to be Christians there. There are probably Muslims there. Jews. Others. What's being done here isn't desecration, it just bothers you. However the law does not exist to service your delicate sensibilities.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
You're fine lovesong... The souls in heaven are more charitable and enlightened than anyone on earth including mother Teresa.

They are happy to receive respect and honor If they see you are troubled, confused, sick, or in danger spiritually, it only draws them to want to help you more.

Christ hung out with drunkards, prostitutes, thieves, pagans, and tax-collectors. He said "the shepherd leaves the 99 sheep for the one that is lost. When he finds that one he puts it over his shoulder and rejoices more over that one than the 99 that didn't go astray. "

Point being, from a Christian perspective, those souls are one in mind with Christ, so they are happier that you are seeking their company than they are for the righteous who have no need of repentance or help.

As long your motives are pure, that's what matters :)
 
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