GOP civil war

[Saint Frankenstein]

Eventually, we all probably get "voted out" somewhere. At least she had the guts to stand what she believed regardless of the consequences, and that made her stand out even though I never was a fan or hers or her father.

No, not everyone gets voted out.

Towing the expected line is "hardly" gutsy.

 

[YmirGF]

It obviously seems she felt it was worth it, because she did it. She stood up to the anti-Constitutionalists because it was the right thing to do. That shows character. That doesn't mean she'd "run as a Democratic Party" member, because well, she isn't a member of the Democratic Party. The point you may be missing is she did the right thing for the country, not for her party. She literally transcended parties in order to defend the Constitution. Many Democrats recognize that's what she did, and rightly respect her for it. They don't have to agree with her on anything else, and yet they can still respect her for it. Some Republicans, like lonely Mitt, understand it too. It's a sad commentary on the rest of the GOP that they don't. Not publicly, at least. Most of them don't have her courage, they knelt before Trump and kept their mouths shut.

I can almost hear the stains of violins in the background while reading this. Well, at least one person cares about Liz.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The reality is that no one in the Republican Party (or their allies) gives a flying phooey what either Cheney or Romney have to say about pretty much anything.

Reality? No one?

Casually manufacturing facts does little to bolster the credibility of your positions.

 

[YmirGF]

Reality? No one?

Casually manufacturing facts does little to bolster the credibility of your positions.

People on the right don't have a lot a credibility these days, to begin with, Jay. One gets used to it.

 

[F1fan]

The reality is that no one in the Republican Party (or their allies) gives a flying phooey what either Cheney or Romney have to say about pretty much anything.

There are many conservative citizens who look for ethical leadership among the Republicans and these two are among the few. They are leading the remaining decent conservative citizens.

That they echo the Democratic playbook is expected, and it is understandable why people on the other side of the aisle like to listen to them.

Must be the same playbook republicans used before MAGA.

 

[anna.]

I can almost hear the stains of violins in the background while reading this. Well, at least one person cares about Liz.

I don't know why I bothered to reply to you. Sorry, won't happen again.

 

[Shaul]

There are a lot of things I could disagree with Liz Cheney on, but I have no doubt that she puts country over party. She literally walked the talk and took the consequences she knew would come, but she had the courage to do it anyway. I respect that, and history will look kindly on her. Democratic or Republican, those who actually respect Constitutional values will respect that Liz Cheney did the right things at the right times.

I don't agree she was putting the country over the Party. I think she was putting her own personal interests over those of the Party. Basically she sold out for personal reasons.

 

[anna.]

I don't agree she was putting the country over the Party. I think she was putting her own personal interests over those of the Party. Basically she sold out for personal reasons.

Really? What do you believe her personal reasons were, and what information can you provide to support your belief?

 

[Shaul]

There are many conservative citizens who look for ethical leadership among the Republicans and these two are among the few. They are leading the remaining decent conservative citizens.

Must be the same playbook republicans used before MAGA.

Based on your long-standing hatred of Republicans it is logical to assume you are a good "reverse barometer" and that Cheney and Romney hurt the Republican Party and that is the real reason you are their boosters.

 

[Shaul]

Really? What do you believe her personal reasons were, and what information can you provide to support your belief?

I don't see any point in stating what would be speculation. I stated my opinion. Based on the total lack of support Ms. Cheney had within the Republican Party, I think my opinion is shared by many.

 

[exchemist]

Whether it is McCarthy swearing at the extreme wing, Cheney's statement, Romney's retirement statement I think it's accurate to call what is going on a political civil war for control of the GOP. While I have extreme disagreements with the right's politics, the country would be well served by having honest debates about what is best for America rather than the current Trump/MAGA cult arm waving.

Cheney:

"Putin has now officially endorsed the Putin-wing of the Republican Party," Cheney tweeted over an AP News article about Russian President Vladimir Putin blasting the criminal indictments of Trump as "rotten" politically motivated prosecutions.

"Putin Republicans & their enablers will end up on the ash heap of history," continued Cheney. "Patriotic Americans in both parties who believe in the values of liberal democracy will make sure of it."

Romney:

"A very large portion of my party really doesn't believe in the Constitution,"

Good to see a few Republicans standing up and calling out the perversion of what their party use to stand for. Let's hope a few more do so in the months to come, as the Trump trials get under way.

 

[anna.]

I don't see any point in stating what would be speculation. I stated my opinion. Based on the total lack of support Ms. Cheney had within the Republican Party, I think my opinion is shared by many.

You just did state what you were speculating. Now you don't want to support why you were speculating. I see.

There's a reason why she had a total lack of support and the error isn't with her, it's with the rest of the cowardly GOP, who are poster children of the reality that even if an opinion is "shared by many" it doesn't make it right.

 

[YmirGF]

I don't know why I bothered to reply to you. Sorry, won't happen again.

Good news.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

There are many conservative citizens who look for ethical leadership among the Republicans and these two are among the few. They are leading the remaining decent conservative citizens.

But such people are powerless. The Republican party destroys them when it can. Ten Republicans voted for Trump's second impeachment. Only two are still in the House. Four were primaried, and four decided there was a better life for them elsewhere and didn't run. Moderate conservatives have no representation except to the extent that the Democratic Party does so.

While I have extreme disagreements with the right's politics, the country would be well served by having honest debates about what is best for America rather than the current Trump/MAGA cult arm waving.

But that's not an option. You either deal with their ***show or disempower them. Those are the choices. And as soon as the Democrats had control of both houses of Congress and begin leading and governing again, the hapless American voters gave the House back to the Republicans issuing in two years of gridlock and swamp theater as the caucus of Greene and Gaetz recreates scenes from Gremlins AFTER their watering.

Any disagreements within the Republican Party are their business and theirs alone. Outsiders don't have much standing to opine about those squabbles. ESPECIALLY any outsiders who hate Republicans.

Actually, the right has no say over how liberal America judges it, which shouldn't be interested in the political opinions of anybody that doesn't object strenuously to them. Personally, I'm not interested in the opinion of anybody that DOESN'T hate what the Republicans are and are doing to the nation.

she could simply run as a Democratic Party member... but I bet they wouldn't have her because she has way too much baggage now.

She's too conservative: "FiveThirtyEight, a politics-focused website developed by statistician Nate Silver, said Cheney voted with Trump 92.9% of the time he was in office from 2017 to 2021."

Cheney is literally a loser, at that. She got voted out. LOL.

How about Trump? Is he a loser? He lost the White House ("got voted out," so at least a literal loser), both houses of Congress, 60 lawsuits, and endless appeals and petitions lately. The candidates he endorses usually lose. His insurrection failed, his fake elector scam failed, and now he poised to lose his wealth and freedom.

Cheney, by contrast, will be living on easy street whatever she does, and I'll bet she, Nancy, and Hillary are having a good laugh at Trump's expense these days. They can all raise a glass in a toast together with the first criminal conviction and sentence.

 

[fantome profane]

Undoubtedly so. Cheney is literally a loser, at that. She got voted out. Lol.

Doesn't mean she was wrong. She could have easily won if she had just kept silent or kissed Trump's ***, but she didn't do that.

So good for her, sometimes it is good to be a loser.

 

[Shaul]

You just did state what you were speculating. Now you don't want to support why you were speculating. I see.

There's a reason why she had a total lack of support and the error isn't with her, it's with the rest of the cowardly GOP, who are poster children of the reality that even if an opinion is "shared by many" it doesn't make it right.

Ms. Cheney is the one who put forth her case. If she couldn't "sell" it to the prospective Republican voter "buyers" the onus is on her, not the other way around.

 

[anna.]

Ms. Cheney is the one who put forth her case. If she couldn't "sell" it to the prospective Republican voter "buyers" the onus is on her, not the other way around.

It's not a surprise, at all. She expected it. This was Red Wyoming, after all, Trump territory. It was MAGA vs. establishment, which is exactly what this OP is about. By lack of support, I meant the support of her party. They're the cowards.

 

[Left Coast]

Per usual, the Trumpists will spew their fact-free vitriol at anyone, even conservatives, who steps out of line and dares to point out when Trump is wrong.

This is not surprising, folks. These people did not arrive at their conclusions about politics based on critical thinking. Pointing that out to them is like water off a duck's back.

 

[Shaul]

It's not a surprise, at all. She expected it. This was Red Wyoming, after all, Trump territory. It was MAGA vs. establishment, which is exactly what this OP is about. By lack of support, I meant the support of her party. They're the cowards. e.

She chose to fight against Party officials. The Party gave her latitude and slack. She attacked the Party, not the other way around.

 

[anna.]

She chose to fight against Party officials. The Party gave her latitude and slack. She attacked the Party, not the other way around.

She chose to fight for the Constitution.

It speaks volumes about the GOP that she had to fight them in order to fight for the Constitution.