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Guiliani's Opinions on Obama
- Thread starter metis
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tytlyf
Not Religious
You just make it up like Rudy does. Source please. Israel and Obama hate each other so much that Israel awarded Obama their highest presidential honor a year or so ago. You should be mindful where you get your information from.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Apparently you must think that Shimon Peres is a liar because he has said otherwise on three occasions that I heard him. According to Peres, this administration has supplied more military aid and cooperation to Israel than any other previous president. And let me remind you that Obama had a 100% pro-Israel voting record as a senator.
What you are confusing is the bad blood between Obama and Netanyahu, which is not new to American presidents, btw, as I mention on another thread. Over the last year, we have given money to upgrade and expand the Iron Dome system, we supplied Israel with bunker-buster bombs, and it was announced last week that we are selling them some new fighter-jets.
Generally true, but the last sentence is overstated.
Staying in Iraq, which was a mistake to get into in the first place, was costing American lives and dollars, and how far do we go to prop up governments that are both corrupt, inept, and made it clear they didn't want us there? BTW, we do have some troops there, plus facilities elsewhere in the region.
Both the U.S. and Israeli intelligence departments are working very close together, and this has been continued by this administration.
To me, your support for what Guiliani said is inexcusable and pathetic, not because it's about Obama, but because it is so terribly wrong-headed when talking about a sitting American president so as to try and undercut him. And what Boehner has done with inviting Bibi to speak to Congress even is unpopular in Israel, according to a recent poll taken there, and I hope it comes back to bite both Netanyahu and Boehner it the butt. It has been a practice in this country since it beginning that foreign policy debates "stop at the border", and frankly now some Republican realize that Boehner's done something quite unethical in our American historical tradition.
CMike
Well-Known Member
Source for what?
Unfortunately, despite Obama's provokations, Israel still is diplomatic.
Despite Obama acting like trash, Israel doesn't respond in kind.
tytlyf
Not Religious
You've shown zero proof that Obama hates Israel. I've shown Israel appreciates and favors Obama.. Like I said, you should be very skeptical of where you get YOUR information from.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
*watches a pig flying by the window into the trees beyond....*
I tend to agree. It's not that Obama hates Israel, it's more a case of him being at loggerheads with the Netanyahu administration over a variety of topics.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Oh, I can tell you where he gets a lot of his propaga-- er, I mean information from, namely Fox "News".
CMike
Well-Known Member
Source?
There is part of the US-Israel relationship that is on auto pilot. Both are in a war together against terrorism. The US needs Israel for intelligence to stop terror attacs.
You didn't quote Peres, but I will.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/01/1...h-to-peace.html?pagewanted=all&referrer=&_r=1
What effect does the bad relationship between Obama and Netanyahu have on the immediate future of Israel and the Middle East?
The problem is not between individuals, but between those individuals’ policies. It’s not whether they can have coffee together or not. Neither one is going to kick the other.
Although perhaps they would like to.
It makes no difference. The problem is that Obama would like to reach peace in the Middle East and has to be convinced that Israel agrees with this.
BTW Peres isn't prime minister, Netanyahu is prime minister. Peres is a lefty. He was against the Israeli attack on Iraq's nuclear reactor.
Me--"Every day very bad people in the middle east are planning mass attacks within the US. The US needs intelligence information to stop these attacks."
There is a war in the shadows.
There is only one country in the middle east that is ready, willing, and able to help the US. That country is Israel. --
Oh? What other country in the middle east is ready, willing, and able to help the US stop terror attacks?
How do you think ISIS got a presence in Iraq. It's because of Obama's bone brained idea to completely pull out ground troops from Iraq. A small force would have kept ISIS at bay. As a result we now have ISIS taking over large areas, and beheading thousands of Christians.
ISIS is now a much bigger threat to the US.
THANK YOU OBAMA!!! Go back to being a community organizer.
Rudy was spot on.
Netanyahu, unlike Obama is a patriot. Netanyahu loves his country, unlike Obama.
Netanyahu was invited by Boehner to speak about the single greatest danger to existence of Israel, and biggest threat to the world, a nuclear Iran.
Neither Boehner nor Netanyahu work for Obama. Congress is a seperate branch.
However, little Obama's fewings wer huat. Imagine, Emperor Obama, doesn't get to control what other leaders are doing.
Obama is a spoiled brat with way too much power and far out of his depth.
CMike
Well-Known Member
You asked for it.
http://www.newsweek.com/usisrael-relations-low-ebb-hellfire-missile-supplies-halted-264724
Report: US halted transfer of Hellfire missiles to Israel - Israel News, Ynetnews
Reports: Netanyahu 'Humiliated' by Obama Snub | Fox News
Obama makes time for Letterman, but not Israeli PM Netanyahu - National Republican | Examiner.com
Obama snubbed Netanyahu for dinner with Michelle and the girls, Israelis claim - Telegraph
Sadly, the only country, that Obama acts even close to this vile behavior too is Israel.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I didn't post any source because I heard him on three different interviews the last time he was here in the States. If you choose not to believe me, that's your choice.
Oh, I see, so you do think he's lying. Plus what difference does it make that he's not p.m. at this time? That somehow makes his contributions irrelevant? I think if you ran a poll in Israel as to whom commands more respect from the public, I doubt Bibi would stand much of a chance.
BTW, you really have some serious hangups on the righty/lefty thing.
Jordan, which we do have good relations with even though they've been reluctant to get involved in the struggle against ISIS until one of their pilots was beheaded. To the extent we exchange intelligence back and forth is hard to say because obviously it's in the best interest of both not talk too much about this.
You have no clue what you're talking about. We were told to leave, plus there was an issue of our military and other personnel that could be tried in Iraqi courts under Shi'i leadership. What could possibly go wrong?
Leave it up you to to find fault with someone who works for less money that he could have made in the private sector in order to help out the poor.
BS, and when you keep on posting this nonsense you totally shoot yourself in the foot. And it is rather obvious to anyone that you simply cannot know exactly what is in Obama's mind, so you simply are "building sand castles in the sky".
Even some Republicans realize that this is undermining long-held protocol here in the U.S. If the Democrats had done this to Bush, people like you would be screaming bloody murder. Congress always in the past realized that you don't negotiate with a foreign leader on foreign policy issues without involving the president, so for Boehner to do this is terribly unethical.
Gee, I didn't know that.
And you'll just be inventing your own "reality" as long as you keep getting "news" from the Fox Propaganda Channel.
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tytlyf
Not Religious
How? By destabilizing Iraq by invading the wrong country. I guess we should have kept limited ground forces in Iraq for 100's of years to prevent this from happening. Anyone with half a brain knows that your excuse is passing the 'real' blame. You're just repeating the echo chamber spin.
And concerning your sources you later posted, try getting some information from credible organizations outside the echo chamber, no wonder you're misinformed. In none of your sources does it say Obama hates Israel. Nice try, but people are lying to you and you don't even realize it.
CMike
Well-Known Member
Unless you can back it up, it doesn't exist.
Notice my links and documentation.
You still haven't shown that he said what you said he said. With the Internet documenting is very easy.
Who has been Israel's prime minister for the last 6 years?
As you stated that was in response to one of their pilots beheaded. Free free to post their anti radical Islam measures before that.
I'll help. Start with www.google.com
You have no clue what you're talking about. We were told to leave, plus there was an issue of our military and other personnel that could be tried in Iraqi courts under Shi'i leadership. What could possibly go wrong?
You are joking? With US forces on the ground, no one will be trying anyone in Iraq and be able to enforce it. Their government is practically non existent.
It seems that Obama's former CIA director and defense secretary agrees with me.
Leon Panetta: Obama has ‘lost his way,’ created ‘vacuum’ for Islamic State - The Washington Post
It’s going to be a rough week for President Obama, thanks in part to his former CIA director and defense secretary, Leon Panetta, who in aninterview published this morning said the president has “kind of lost his way.”
By not pressing the Iraqi government to leave more U.S. troops in the country, he “created a vacuum in terms of the ability of that country to better protect itself, and it’s out of that vacuum that ISIS began to breed,” Panetta told USA Today, referring to the group also known as the Islamic State.
Notice my documentation.
Now that makes me want to barf. How many millions of taxpayers dollars has Michelle Obama wasted on her lavish vacations as the US was suffering economically. How many millions of dollars go into Barak Hussein's exorbitent and frequent golf outings.
Besides when the US is finally paroled from Obama, he will no doubt go on the speaking circuit and making many millions of dollars just like Bill Clinton has done.
Who are they negotiating with? Netanyahu is THE expert concerning Iran.
Obama, being the delusional brat that he is, is about to let Iran get their nuke. Then what happens when Israel bombs Iran unilaterally when Barak Hussein negotiated a deal with them.
We don't need inspectors to inspect their centerfruiges we need them destroyed. The only reason for them is to build nuclear bombs. Also Iran has enough oil in reserves for itself to last over 300 years. It doesn't need nuclear power.
However, Obama is going to let them get their nukes. That will mean that Hezbollah will have nukes too.
Obama is out of his depth, and is just a total moron.
CMike
Well-Known Member
In an utter vile act Obama has sent his goons to try and defeat a sitting government that is an ally and was brought in by popular votes.
Has he done this to any other country that is a democracy?
Just typing the word Obama makes me feel like I need a shower.
Obama Campaign Team Arrives in Israel to Defeat Netanyahu in March Elections - Breitbart
CMike
Well-Known Member
Here is a bit more about the Panetta interview, his former CIA direct and defense secretary.
Panetta: '30-year war' and a leadership test for Obama
In an interview at his home with Capital Download, USA TODAY's video newsmaker series, Panetta says Obama erred:
• By not pushing the Iraqi government harder to allow a residual U.S. force to remain when troops withdrew in 2011, a deal he says could have been negotiated with more effort. That "created a vacuum in terms of the ability of that country to better protect itself, and it's out of that vacuum that ISIS began to breed." Islamic State also is known as ISIS and ISIL.
• By rejecting the advice of top aides — including Panetta and then-secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton — to begin arming Syrian rebels in 2012. If the U.S. had done so, "I do think we would be in a better position to kind of know whether or not there is some moderate element in the rebel forces that are confronting (Syrian President Bashar) Assad."
• By warning Assad not to use chemical weapons against his own people, then failing to act when that "red line" was crossed in 2013. Before ordering airstrikes, Obama said he wanted to seek congressional authorization, which predictably didn't happen.
The reversal cost the United States credibility then and is complicating efforts to enlist international allies now to join a coalition against the Islamic State, Panetta says. "There's a little question mark to, is the United States going to stick this out? Is the United States going to be there when we need them?"
Showing leadership in the fight against ISIS is an opportunity "to repair the damage," he says. He says it's also a chance for Obama to get a fresh start after having "lost his way."
Panetta: '30-year war' and a leadership test for Obama
In an interview at his home with Capital Download, USA TODAY's video newsmaker series, Panetta says Obama erred:
• By not pushing the Iraqi government harder to allow a residual U.S. force to remain when troops withdrew in 2011, a deal he says could have been negotiated with more effort. That "created a vacuum in terms of the ability of that country to better protect itself, and it's out of that vacuum that ISIS began to breed." Islamic State also is known as ISIS and ISIL.
• By rejecting the advice of top aides — including Panetta and then-secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton — to begin arming Syrian rebels in 2012. If the U.S. had done so, "I do think we would be in a better position to kind of know whether or not there is some moderate element in the rebel forces that are confronting (Syrian President Bashar) Assad."
• By warning Assad not to use chemical weapons against his own people, then failing to act when that "red line" was crossed in 2013. Before ordering airstrikes, Obama said he wanted to seek congressional authorization, which predictably didn't happen.
The reversal cost the United States credibility then and is complicating efforts to enlist international allies now to join a coalition against the Islamic State, Panetta says. "There's a little question mark to, is the United States going to stick this out? Is the United States going to be there when we need them?"
Showing leadership in the fight against ISIS is an opportunity "to repair the damage," he says. He says it's also a chance for Obama to get a fresh start after having "lost his way."
tytlyf
Not Religious
Breitbart is far right wing. Further right than Fox but not Alex Jones territory. More Glenn Beckish. Don't you remember Andrew Breitbart? The guy was a lunatic.
CMike
Well-Known Member
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Which is telling me that you think I'm lying, so I will return to this at the end of this post.
So?
The "joke", and a very sad one at that, is that you seemingly are unaware of the circumstances for our withdrawal, plus apparently unconcerned about so many of our soldiers were coming back in body-bags and many having a half a dozen tours of duty or more there and/or in Afghanistan. Apparently the "cause" is more important than our own people, which is similar to your position of being opposed to having health-care insurance provided to 11+ million more Americans.
There's always going to be discussion and some disagreement, and I have heard Panetta talk and I do respect him. But every action has a reaction, and people and money don't grow on trees. How much longer were we willing to keep troops there and at what expense? And why is it that we supposedly have to carry the brunt of the opposition to ISIS while the countries there free-load?
Private vacations are paid for by private funds (minus the protection that they need whereas the S.S. always has to be around), and what she buys is also private and I would suggest none of your damn business. And the same holds true with Obama's golf outings. My guess is that you're actually being hypocritical and you probably said nothing negative when Bush took his vacations. The last time I saw the stats, Obama was on vacation less than Bush over the same period of time.
Netanyahu is A relative expert, clearly not THE expert.
It's "Barack".
BTW, Israel simply cannot bomb Iran unilaterally without US suypport. Very few Israeli planes, even the fighter-bombers, have that long a range, so they would have to be refueled by us in the area near the Persian Gulf. Also, they would have to have our friend/foe code from the U.S., otherwise they might get accidentally shot down by us.
It's so pathetic that you want to go to war so bad that you're unwilling to even give the negotiations a chance. It's pathetic that you care so little about our servicemen and women that you couldn't care less about how many come home to grieving parents and love ones. It's pathetic that you couldn't care less about the fact that we haven't allowed any congress to bring in a foreign leader to discuss foreign relations without even the president being notified. It's pathetic that you call people names, apparently disregarding that this is a violation of halacha itself. It's pathetic that you actually do harm to us as a people with your pit-bull, highly-bigoted approach. And it's pathetic that you think I'm lying, so with all of these "pathetics", I am now done dealing with you-- period.
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CMike
Well-Known Member
I have given you several chances to back it up. As I said unless you can do so it doesn't exist. However, I must now question why you are unwilling or unable to backup what you say.
I find it very hard to believe that Peres said that Obama is the most cooperative with Israel, than any other president. Either Peres would be drunk, on cocaine, or he never said it. My guess is the latter.
You said that Netanyahu was unpopular in Israel.
Since he has won prime minister for the last six years apparently he has been rather popular Israelis.
I am aware of the circumstances of the withdrawal. The circumstances is that we have a weak, incompetent, narcissistic, moron in the White House. The only country he will lean on is Israel.
And the moron squandered all the gains that the US achieved in Iraq. He could have left a residual force, but instead he withdrew, causing a vacuum, and lettering ISIS and other terror groups backed by Iran, to take over.
How many tens of thousands of civilian Christians have been tortured and beheaded because of President Moron's incompetence, I ask again?
Panetta was the head of the DNC, and Obama's CIA director, and sec. of defense. To me it's amazing that he has come out and stated the obvious truth, which happens to be exactly what I've been saying concerning the vacuum Obama created in Iraq.
What is the cost of not keep the troops in Iraq? How much ground will have to recover because Obama gave it away?
Why have to carry the brunt for ISIS?
1) Because allowing tens of thousands of innocent civilians to be butchered and doing nothing is wrong
2) Because ISIS has vowed to put their flag on the White House.
We can fight them there or fight them here.
It is my business when it cost the taxpayers millions of dollars because Empress Michelle has to take her entire entourage on her world wide vacations and take entire floors in hotels to house them all.
Globetrotting Michelle Obama announces luxurious China trip | The Daily Caller
Fresh off the first family’s sixth annual winter vacation to the Hawaiian island of Oahu — billed to American taxpayers at a cost of $4 million — Michelle Obama and the first daughters Malia and Sasha will now jet off to China for over a week of much-needed sightseeing.
President Barack Obama won’t be making the trip.
But don’t worry, America: The first lady’s mother, Marian Robinson, will be tagging along on the federal dime.
Obama's Family Vacations to Cost Taxpayers More Than $20 Million
President Barack Obama’s four vacations to Hawaii since becoming president may cost taxpayers “in excess of $20 million, and possibly much, much more,’’ the White House Dossier reports.
A breakdown by the Hawaii Reporter shows his trips in 2009, 2010, and 2011 cost about $4 million, much of it for Air Force One. But that doesn’t include costs like flying in advance teams and separate flights Michelle Obama twice took.
Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com Obama's Family Vacations to Cost Taxpayers More Than $20 Million
Michelle Obama's Spain vacation cost taxpayers nearly $470G, watchdog group claims | Fox News
michelle obama vacation taxpayers - Yahoo Search Results
NOTICE ALL THE DOCUMENATION
Netanyahu is THE expert on Iran and it's nukes.
Oh...you would be surprised what Israel can do. They managed to bomb the Iraqi and relatively recently the Syrian nuclear facility.
What is absurd since you are personally attacking is that your allegiance to Obama no matter what he does comes before common sense and caring about the existence of Israel and even America.
What happens when the psycho leadership of Iran get nukes, and decide to give it to ISIS or Hezbollah, and the other terror groups that they support? Many of them are willing to die to achieve their aim. In other words there wouldn't be a nuclear deterrent.
The congress doesn't need Obama's approval. He is not the emperor despite what you may think. Congress is a completely seperate branch of government. As I stated neither Boehner nor Netanyahu need Obama's approval. Obama, as a courtesy actually was notified, even though there was no other reason to do so.
We already know what Obama's negotiations are. They are a free pass for Iran to continue it's nuclear program.
I think Israel will just have to go at it alone...and destroy it. It has already done so twice before to the condemnation of the world.
If you want to be intellectually honest, you need to chose your worship of Obama or allegiance to the US and even Israel. You can't have both.