Gun poll

[Subduction Zone]

You are right. I never listen here(unless its a video posted). Did you "say" anything I could hear?

Yes, of course. Your attitude towards the current spate of gun violence was "not my problem". That sort of attitude justify those that would let you keep your guns, following the Second Amendment, but requiring you to keep them at a state approved and monitored gun club to say "Not my problem" when you complained about not having your guns in your house any longer.

 

[We Never Know]

Yes, of course. Your attitude towards the current spate of gun violence was "not my problem". That sort of attitude justify those that would let you keep your guns, following the Second Amendment, but requiring you to keep them at a state approved and monitored gun club to say "Not my problem" when you complained about not having your guns in your house any longer.

"Your attitude towards the current spate of gun violence was "not my problem"

Again... Another false claim.

I gave several ways to help gun control.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why would any law assume my guns are safer at a gun club(which would be a target for thieves) than in my guns safes?(which have 12 dead bolts, are anchored to concrete and protected by alarms)

It is pretty obvious why. You already forgot your irresponsible attitude and the irresponsible attitude of gun owners in general. And no, despite your fantasies they would be far more safely held at a state approved gun club.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Again... Another false claim.

I gave several ways to help gun control.

LOL! It is not a "false claim" when you were given a chance to offer a solution and had no interest. Your ineffectual "donations" were insufficient. Who knows, you might have been scammed if you made a monetary donation. You keep making facepalm worthy posts here. And you could never answer my question.

 

[We Never Know]

It is pretty obvious why. You already forgot your irresponsible attitude and the irresponsible attitude of gun owners in general. And no, despite your fantasies they would be far more safely held at a state approved gun club.

The only thing "obvious" is your are full of false claims and BS.

How many gun clubs do you belong to? I belong to three. One in three different states.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The only thing "obvious" is your are full of false claims and BS.

How many gun clubs do you being to? I being to three. One in three different states.

That is not the sort of gun club that I was talking about obviously. And you know that you are wrong. You cannot even answer a simple hypothetical question.

 

[We Never Know]

LOL! It is not a "false claim" when you were given a chance to offer a solution and had no interest. Your ineffectual "donations" were insufficient. Who knows, you might have been scammed if you made a monetary donation. You keep making facepalm worthy posts here. And you could never answer my question.

What were my "ineffectual "donations" that you claim I made?

Answer that or I will ignore every post you make from here on out.

Oh and by the way, I see your used "youns" in an earlier post. Catchy isn't it Lmao.

 

[We Never Know]

That is not the sort of gun club that I was talking about obviously. And you know that you are wrong. You cannot even answer a simple hypothetical question.

"That is not the sort of gun club that I was talking about obviously."

Lmfao!!!!

 

[Subduction Zone]

What were my "ineffectual "donations" that you claim I made?

Answer that or I will ignore every post you make from here on out.

Oh and by the way, I see your used "youns" in an earlier post. Catchy isn't it Lmao.

Oh my, I did not claim that you made them. You claimed that you made them. You are not thinking rationally and that shows up in the questions that you asked. But I will do you a favor this time. I will give you what you should have asked and the answer:

"Why do you think that my donations were ineffective?"

The answer, because gun violence keeps getting worse.

"That is not the sort of gun club that I was talking about obviously."

Lmfao!!!!

Once again you are not thinking rationally. Do the gun clubs that you belong to hold your guns for you? Do they prohibit you from taking them home? If you answered no to either then it is not the same sort of gun club. Other people should not have to do your thinking for you.

 

[We Never Know]

Oh my, I did not claim that you made them. You claimed that you made them. You are not thinking rationally and that shows up in the questions that you asked. But I will do you a favor this time. I will give you what you should have asked and the answer:

"Why do you think that my donations were ineffective?"

The answer, because gun violence keeps getting worse.

Once again you are not thinking rationally. Do the gun clubs that you belong to hold your guns for you? Do they prohibit you from taking them home? If you answered no to either then it is not the same sort of gun club. Other people should not have to do your thinking for you.

Really??? See the bold in your quoted post.

LOL! It is not a "false claim" when you were given a chance to offer a solution and had no interest. Your ineffectual "donations" were insufficient. Who knows, you might have been scammed if you made a monetary donation. You keep making facepalm worthy posts here. And you could never answer my question.

We are done for a while. Dealing with you is like shoveling ****. It produces nothing but stink.

Until in a week or so, good riddance

 

[Subduction Zone]

Really??? See the bold in your quoted post.




We are done for a while. Dealing with you is like shoveling ****. It produces nothing but stink.

Until in a week or so, good riddance

Oh my, so much wrong. So much shooting yourself in the foot. You claimed to have made donations. I can show you statistics on how mass killings are worse than ever. Guess what? That means that your donations did not do jack squat. In other words, they were ineffective.

Why is that so hard to understand? Oh that is right. When your guns were threatened you lost the ability to reason rationally. You could not answer a hypothetical question. You could not come up with a valid objection to that law.

I think that you are just smelling yourself again.

 

[We Never Know]

Lets just try to see where posters here stand on guns.

I dropped in at a Walmart tonight. When I was in there I saw three people open-carrying.

They went out of their way to be sure to only tuck that part of their shirt behind their holster so everyone would see their gun.

To me those people are idiots. Its all about show. They eliminated all element of surprise and have already shown their hole cards so there's is no surprise left. They will be first to be targeted by a shooter if one was there.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yes, the US founders thought it was so important to allow it's citizens to protect their freedom from all threats foreign and domestics they included it in the second amendment.
It wasn't included for hunting.

I imagine they felt that though government was necessary, that any government had the potential of becoming tyrannical. They were distrustful of government, can't say that I blame them, and felt that the citizens of a nation held the ongoing responsibility to keep the government is check. Not the other way around.

Every citizen in the US has a right to protect themselves. Maybe this is not a view shared by other nations. Yes, there is an inherent risk in this. I suppose they felt the risk to freedom was greater.

Right now it is hard to see their point. Maybe someday we'll be glad they had the foresight to write the second amendment into our laws.
Or maybe not.

Giving people the right to protect themselves was and experiment. Time to shut it down?
Time to take away one's right to protect themselves?

Well, let us put into in to military context as for what it requires for a militia to defend itself versus a professional army. And then account for the difference in technology.
The point is that the conditions for the totality of what that requires have changed and the technology have changed.
But for the current debate it has been divorced from that the freedom of bearing arms was not just individual, it was also social in then end.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Responsible gun owner here.
I want more laws to make sure people with mental illness or children don't get hold of them. Background checks, requirements for gun safe, etc. I don't know enough about "assault" rifles to decide if I want a ban. Our handguns are semi-automatic, so I don't know if it's any worse to have a semi-automatic rifle.

It is a mine field. The problem with some semi-automatic riffles, is that they are easier than others to convert into fully automatic that other.
Then there is the question of the need for rate of fire for some weapon types.

 

[Debater Slayer]

"There's no evidence that mental illness is a major cause of mass shootings"

So are you saying sound minded people commit them?

Is it sound minded to go on a mass shooting spree?

That depends on how one defines "sound-minded." There are many people who are not diagnosed with any mental illness but still carry out shootings after legally obtaining a gun. Some have issues that might commonly be thought of as disqualifying the "sound-minded" description, but they're not diagnosed with a mental illness. Those who are diagnosed and professionally confirmed to be mentally ill make up only a small portion of mass shooters.

 

[We Never Know]

That depends on how one defines "sound-minded." There are many people who are not diagnosed with any mental illness but still carry out shootings after legally obtaining a gun. Some have issues that might commonly be thought of as disqualifying the "sound-minded" description, but they're not diagnosed with a mental illness. Those who are diagnosed and professionally confirmed to be mentally ill make up only a small portion of mass shooters.

That's a well thought out post. But IMO sound minded.people(supposedly sound minded people) don't do mass shootings.
Sound minded peoole don't go on shooting sprees.

IMO something sets them off , or they have always been off. Either way they aren't sound minded.

 

[We Never Know]

That depends on how one defines "sound-minded." There are many people who are not diagnosed with any mental illness but still carry out shootings after legally obtaining a gun. Some have issues that might commonly be thought of as disqualifying the "sound-minded" description, but they're not diagnosed with a mental illness. Those who are diagnosed and professionally confirmed to be mentally ill make up only a small portion of mass shooters.

I think I am sound minded. I don't think of or fantasize about shooting people.
I don't and never have taken any meds for any mental illness.
I abide by laws
Etc, etc.

Any person that will go shoot, kill, molest, rape or whatever to harm.kids aren't of sound mind IMO.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I think I am sound minded. I don't think of or fantasize about shooting people.
I don't and never have taken any meds for any mental illness.
I abide by laws
Etc, etc.

Any person that will go shoot, kill, molest, rape or whatever to harm.kids aren't of sound mind IMO.

Same here as to the first bit, but I don't go around killing innocent creatures when I don't have to, so perhaps our empathies are a bit malleable? There are plenty who will act ruthlessly for various reasons - and not obviously mentally ill, but perhaps deluded - and many would fall into this category. I think it is basically a blind alley to blame any of these shootings specifically on mental illness when the build up of anger and rage is often what precedes them - and many have that these days. Killing kids tends to cause the most hurt to others - hence why they are often chosen no doubt.

 

[Sand Dancer]

It is a mine field. The problem with some semi-automatic riffles, is that they are easier than others to convert into fully automatic that other.
Then there is the question of the need for rate of fire for some weapon types.

I totally get it. I don't think guns should ever be able to be converted to fully automatic.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I totally get it. I don't think guns should ever be able to be converted to fully automatic.

People are highly inventive. The bump stock relies on the recoil of larger guns to fire the weapon again. It is rather difficult to get rid of that recoil. Conservation of momentum is a hard law to repeal. Bump stock guns are also have very low accuracy. But the Vegas shooter was not aiming at individuals when he did his mass shooting sprees. He merely aimed into crowds and let the number of bullets do his work for him.