Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
OK, fair enough.
That said, it brings us back to the point that many gun owners never have cause for regret.
Yes, I'm just saying that that's the argument to go with rather than the freedom one.
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Yes, I'm just saying that that's the argument to go with rather than the freedom one.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
I think both are pretty strong, myself. They go hand in hand.
Well not all of us who own a gun (or in my case will own a gun) get a hard-on whenever we talk about posessing a firearm and get some euphoric, gun-nut high like some people I'm seeing; As a matter of fact many people would rather they never had a reason to own a gun, but the sad reality is that we do have reasons in in our society.
That reason can be summed up in two words: Self-defense. In a country where people will still shoot you dead after robbing you with your full cooperation, people breaking into your homes raping your women, children and or/stabbing beating them to death and law enforcement becoming increasingly more useless and corrupt as the years go by, you really are just better off making sure you have the best odds of keeping yourself and your family safe on your own accord.
Maybe it's different in the UK, but here owning a gun is perfectly reasonable. Don't get me wrong. we're not living in the Wild,Wild West here in the States, although I'm pretty sure there are some gun-nuts who would love nothing more, and people are not frequently having to use their firearms to defend themself in society, but it's better to be safe than sorry and it will make you a less desirable target by scumbags who wish to do you harm.
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Ya know, I spent years at many ranges back when I was target shooting. Not once did anyone
ever display a hard-on. But then...I never looked. L.A. must be a very different place.
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The term is purely figurative. And yes, L.A. is quite a different place: For one, we don't paint looking to see if someone is aroused as being negative, but we're evil like that.
The term is purely figurative. And yes, L.A. is quite a different place: For one, we don't paint looking to see if someone is aroused as being negative, but we're evil like that.
I lived in LA 30+ years ago. It was pretty much the same as here....well, Venice Beach was anyway.
Venice is a whole other planet compared to every where's else.
Me personally, I chose to live just outside west of county lines near Malibu. Traffic is less horrendus for one, air is cleaner and it's a lot less crowded. Plus we're not getting clobbered with the 10% sales tax that L.A. county is...ouch....
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Now that I living in a larger city, I've been contemplating purchasing a new handgun for home and self defense. Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I'm a fan of self preservation.
Matt, thank you for laying your cards on the table. I can respect that. You are right, I live in a small town where we have not had a murder in years. Just about everyone I know owns guns, and most keep them locked up and many have concealed carry permits.
Honestly, if we could wave a magic wand and make guns disappear all together, I would stand beside you while we both make this happen. The thing is, passing a law against gun ownership would only take guns from law abiding folks.
I look at a gun like I do a fire extinguisher. I'm not going to wait for the fire department to come to my home and put a fire out.
This is me trying to be rational with you. I hope you will reply as such.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
I agree. I'd hate to have guns legalized here. I also don't buy the argument that owning guns makes you any more "free" from Government. I mean seriously, what are you gonna do go and grab a machine gun and start fending off hordes of Government employees?
IMO the oppression of our future will be Economic anyways.
Owning guns to be free from government does seem a remote & absurd belief in this day & age....as long as we have relatively safe governments (unlike Afghanistan or Somalia). I look around & see peace everywhere, see very few cops, unrestricted travel within our border, gun stores, diverse churches & bacon openly sold. Why worry? Well, I don't worry. But consider history. All countries change over time. Even the US & Australia once murdered & otherwise brutalized its own inhabitants. It seems unlikely to happen again when we look around us now, but who is to say that things can never change for the worse? Who can name the empire in which people never had to fear their own government? A misbehaving authoritarian cabal would certainly find life easier if the populace had fewer means to resist being under their thumb. To control us, there are some powers they'd like to have over us: economic (limit our ability to make a living), political (control who is in office), weapons (neuter the physical ability to resist), & knowledge (limit info....eg, state run media (NPR), internet kill switch, book banning). Looking at my list, can't everyone see at least a little bit of potentially creeping evil in America? Yes, yes, it's great here....far from evil, but no matter who you are, someone is always working to limit your civil liberties in some way. Such efforts could expand. It is possible.....say 9.8% probability, that within 200 years, we could face an authoritarian gov't needing to be overthrown by force. For me, that justifies private gun ownership.
Currently our government isn't an enemy requiring overthrow....they need watching, lobbying & engaged voting. But government is loathe to address civil unrest & protect the weak. In bucolic & progressive Ann Arbor, we had a student riot a couple decades back. People were assaulted & buildings attacked. The City sent in their forces, who promptly abandoned their vehicles & fled, only to cordon off the area, letting the melee continue unabated. After Katrina, the government was anxious to illegally take citizens' weapons, but loathe to secure the area. Korean grocers in LA riots needed their weapons to survive, since the cops kept their distance. Cop friends of mine candidly say they're not here to protect us. They can't. Some encourage owning guns for self-defense, but others prefer that only the cops have guns...it's their own (not our) safety that concerns them.
I've worked with many Sikh engineers over the years. We've had a common bond in that we come from a tradition of carrying & respecting weapons as a force for good. My Glock is a symbol to me every bit as much as their kirpan is to them. Like fire insurance, the odds are that I'll never need to use it. But being prepared for the unthinkable is a necessary part of avoiding it in the first place. A little fear in the heart of Nancy Pelosi is a good thing.
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Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Well, I don't really have much to say to this. The weird part to me is that with all of the crime in my city, I don't feel the need to own a gun. I'm really curious how often someone is assaulted or burgled where their gun is the difference between the crime happening and it not happening. I'm curious whether the people here who want a gun for protection have had something happen personally that makes them feel unsafe.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
I honestly don't understand how you can think that citizens owning handguns will give us the ability to overthrow the government by force. Is it possible that our government will become a tyranny that enslaves us? Sure, remote, but still a possibility. However, if that happens, I really don't think a bunch of citizens with handguns is going to have the ability to overthrow that government.
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To overthrow the gov't is less likely than merely resisting to the point that gov't would exercise more restraint.
You're welcome to be passive & defenseless in the face of tyranny, but I would simply choose otherwise.
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Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Who said I would be passive and defenseless? There are other ways to defend against that than owning a handgun (and much better ways at that).
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angellous_evangellous
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Let's not limit the discussion to handguns. A match grade M1A looks pretty useful to me. But you could use an AR-15 variant if you're a little fella.
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