Guns and shootings.. what has changed

[Brickjectivity]

We demand our constitutional right to own flamethrowers, hand grenades, tanks, rocket launchers, fighter jets, heat-seeking missiles, fully automatic machine guns, and even nuclear weapons, just in case....

In my opinion we don't have a right to nukes. It takes a city of people to make one of those. Why should any individual have a right to something like that? We probably also have a right to disarm nukes if we ourselves have none, because they are always a threat. There can be no safety rails around nukes, no emergency parachute, no helmet, no bungee. If someone makes a mistake then many thousands could die.

Do you think a shotgun toting backwater brigade would thwart the government (ultimately the police and military) if it went Cobra Commander?

Could. There would be no guarantees. I doubt that anyone would choose that scenario. That brigade would likely die or be imprisoned.

 

[Viker]

Its obvious guns aren't as easy to purchase now as they used to be but shooting are up.

Gun suicides and mass shootings are increasing. Gun suicides are well over gun homicides.

What's changed besides the people/generations?

We have a mental health crisis at the same time many states are repealing/amending already existing gun legislation.

 

[We Never Know]

Right, a conviction. Not a track record of reporting of abuse where a wife or girlfriend is too scared to go on the record.

Can't punish them with no conviction. However multiple arrests for the same thing should be looked at.

Need to, but these policies get shut down by the right.

Another thing that the right won’t support. Democrats are trying but they can’t do it themselves. When they try they are vilified for taking away gun rights.

I know many right who agree to minor records and mental health records. When I brought that up here before it was the left who said "minor records are sealed and shouldn't be looked at, "metal health records are a hippa violation so neither should be looked at.

 

[We Never Know]

The numbers. There are millions upon millions of guns out there among the people, now. Many of them are not being properly locked up, and are being given away or sold to others with no record of the change of hands or background checks at all. Also, the guns are now mostly very fast repeaters that can carry a lot of rounds in a clip.

But most of all they are now a fetish. They represent self-reliance and self-determination and strength to a lot of people that have had these taken away from them by an economic system that's rigged against them, and rigged to enslave and control them. The more they feel their autonomy slipping away from them in this culture of systematized greed, the more they desire some way to gain that sense of autonomy back. And guns are our culture's most notorious symbol of that self-reliance and autonomy. So now millions of Americans are obsessed with them. With having them and showing everyone else that they have them. And especially with thinking that having them makes them powerful and respected, again. Men, again.

With many/most mass shooters it isn't a fetish.
They go buy their gun a month, weeks or even days before they go on a shooting rampage.

That's often not noticed by others

 

[We Never Know]

More people have guns. The Second wasn't interpretated by the Supreme Court to omit the militia part. Assault rifles were banned.
Social attitudes have also changed. Such as before modern times in America you did not open carry and you didn't bring your gun with you into town.
Ultimately what happened is America went from a place to where even RWers and Conservatives and Republicans signed gun restrictions into law into a land that morphed into something that reflects the fantasy world of the Wild West, a place where people forgot Red Dawn is just a movie.

I was around in the 70's and knew plenty of people that had Ar15's, SKS's, M1 Carbines, etc.

 

[Windwalker]

In my opinion we don't have a right to nukes. It takes a city of people to make one of those.

Awesome idea! I love it. You can't own a weapon if it requires other people to make it for you. Nobody therefore may own a gun unless they can make it themselves, including the shells, the gunpowder, and the lead bullets. Only weapons you can make without anyone else you can own.

That should reduce us down to stones, and sharpened sticks to kill each other with. Finally, it's safe to go to a movie or the mall again!

Why should any individual have a right to something like that?

To defend ourselves against government overreach, of course. Same reason we need guns, which was your argument.

 

[Wildswanderer]

It goes along with a general break down in morality. When you blur all the lines between right and wrong, teach in schools that we are all oppressed and deserve everything given us for free, and take God out of the picture, so that man just becomes an animal, don't be surprised if some people give in to hopelessness.

 

[We Never Know]

It goes along with a general break down in morality. When you blur all the lines between right and wrong, teach in schools that we are all oppressed and deserve everything given us for free, and take God out of the picture, so that man just becomes an animal, don't be surprised if some people give in to hopelessness.

Today 25 year olds have the mentality equal to 18 year olds 30-50 years ago.

Extended Adolescence: When 25 Is the New 18

Extended Adolescence: When 25 Is the New 18

 

[Brickjectivity]

Awesome idea! I love it. You can't own a weapon if it requires other people to make it for you. Nobody therefore may own a gun unless they can make it themselves, including the shells, the gunpowder, and the lead bullets. Only weapons you can make without anyone else you can own.

That should reduce us down to stones, and sharpened sticks to kill each other with. Finally, it's safe to go to a movie or the mall again!


To defend ourselves against government overreach, of course. Same reason we need guns, which was your argument.

Yes, we should live in the naked care of the government, like the Belgians. We should be grateful that human reason is so resilient and dependable these days. Trust your government. The government is our patron, giving us rights and granting us freedoms. Trust. Don't trust the populace though. People are dangerous. Giving them guns and dynamite and formulas for chemicals and knowledge of Math is crazy.

 

[We Never Know]

That's why I say people forget Red Dawn is just a movie.

Red dawn wasn't about our own government.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Awesome idea! I love it. You can't own a weapon if it requires other people to make it for you. Nobody therefore may own a gun unless they can make it themselves, including the shells, the gunpowder, and the lead bullets. Only weapons you can make without anyone else you can own.

That should reduce us down to stones, and sharpened sticks to kill each other with. Finally, it's safe to go to a movie or the mall again!

Nah...I lived in PNG, and whilst not common, home-made guns using things like door locks, etc, are a real thing. They're about as dangerous to the user as the target, incidentally.

 

[Windwalker]

Yes, we should live in the naked care of the government, like the Belgians. We should be grateful that human reason is so resilient and dependable these days. Trust your government. The government is our patron, giving us rights and granting us freedoms. Trust. Don't trust the populace though. People are dangerous. Giving them guns and dynamite and formulas for chemicals and knowledge of Math is crazy.

I don't believe it's either believe in the government as divinely benevolent, or arm yourself to the teeth because you have no trust in anyone but yourself. Surely, there is a happy medium in there somewhere for you, isn't there?

 

[Brickjectivity]

I don't believe it's either believe in the government as divinely benevolent, or arm yourself to the teeth because you have no trust in anyone but yourself. Surely, there is a happy medium in there somewhere for you, isn't there?

Yes, there is.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Red dawn wasn't about our own government.

It's the same dellusion fantasy of regular Joe Blokes with no real training and his gun is going to stand more than a snowball's chance in Hell against the real military.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I was around in the 70's and knew plenty of people that had Ar15's, SKS's, M1 Carbines, etc.

Reagan signed the gun restriction laws of California in '68.
People have more guns today, attitudes have changed, and they are much more prevalent. We are here now, going from it used to being that carrying your gun into town was a sign you are a trouble maker.

 

[Windwalker]

It goes along with a general break down in morality.

Whose morality?

When you blur all the lines between right and wrong,

Whose ideas of right and wrong are you talking about?

teach in schools that we are all oppressed and deserve everything given us for free

I don't know anywhere that teaches this. This sounds like a complete fabrication. Clearly everyone can't be oppressed. There must be those who are oppressing others in there somewhere who themselves aren't oppressed. .

And there is zero teachings anywhere that I am aware of that says we deserve everything for free. Can you provide a single example to back up this wild claim of yours?

, and take God out of the picture, so that man just becomes an animal,

You believe that atheists acts like animals? Can you then explain this statistic?

The estimated number of inmates in the prison system was 1,574,700 people. Of these people, less than 1% (. 07%) of inmates identify as atheists.

Jailhouse Jesus - Wikipedia.
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don't be surprised if some people give in to hopelessness.

Well, if religion was doing such a good job, there wouldn't be a problem. Maybe quit point your finger at the secular world and wonder why nobody gets anything of use from the type of religion that you believe works?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Today 25 year olds have the mentality equal to 18 year olds 30 years ago.

Extended Adolescence: When 25 Is the New 18

Extended Adolescence: When 25 Is the New 18

No, that's because the brain doesn't fully mature until around 25. It's not people acting significantly different, it's just how our biology functions.

 

[We Never Know]

Reagan signed the gun restriction laws of California in '68.
People have more guns today, attitudes have changed, and they are much more prevalent. We are here now, going from it used to being that carrying your gun into town was a sign you are a trouble maker.

"that carrying your gun into town was a sign you are a trouble maker"

I never in my over 60 yrs seen kids carrying gun in town up and down the streets. In places where minors did carry guns in town/cities, it was usually gand related.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It goes along with a general break down in morality. When you blur all the lines between right and wrong, teach in schools that we are all oppressed and deserve everything given us for free, and take God out of the picture, so that man just becomes an animal, don't be surprised if some people give in to hopelessness.

Huh? Seems like the entirely not based in reality nonsense I was taught by the Church.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"that carrying your gun into town was a sign you are a trouble maker"

I never in my over 60 yrs seen kids carrying gun in town up and down the streets. In places where minors did carry guns in town/cities, it was usually gand related.

People were more strict and sensible and reasonable about guns in the past. As I said, even the Supreme Court interpretation of the Second was more strict in the past.
Today people are just stupid about it, like Missouri Reps who okayed kids open carrying. That wouldn't have happened in the past. Adults didn't even open or conceal carry when we go back into the past.