Guns and shootings.. what has changed

[Shadow Wolf]

Here's largely what changed.
Gun Control Is as Old as the Old West | History| Smithsonian Magazine

The laws of Tombstone at the time required visitors, upon entering town to disarm, either at a hotel or a lawman's office.
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and six-shooter-packing cowboys in small frontier towns – such as Tombstone, Deadwood, Dodge City, or Abilene, to name a few. One other thing these cities had in common: strict gun control laws.
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Tombstone had much more restrictive laws on carrying guns in public in the 1880s than it has today,” says Adam Winkler, a professor and specialist in American constitutional law at UCLA School of Law. “Today, you're allowed to carry a gun without a license or permit on Tombstone streets. Back in the 1880s, you weren't.” Same goes for most of the New West, to varying degrees, in the once-rowdy frontier towns of Nevada, Kansas, Montana, and South Dakota.

Dodge City, Kansas, formed a municipal government in 1878. According to Stephen Aron, a professor of history at UCLA, the first law passed was one prohibiting the carry of guns in town, likely by civic leaders and influential merchants who wanted people to move there, invest their time and resources, and bring their families. Cultivating a reputation of peace and stability was necessary, even in boisterous towns, if it were to become anything more transient than a one-industry boom town.
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The practice was started in Southern states, which were among the first to enact laws against concealed carry of guns and knives, in the early 1800s. While a few citizens challenged the bans in court, most lost. Winkler, in his book Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America, points to an 1840 Alabama court that, in upholding its state ban, ruled it was a state's right to regulate where and how a citizen could carry, and that the state constitution's allowance of personal firearms “is not to bear arms upon all occasions and in all places.”

Louisiana, too, upheld an early ban on concealed carry firearms.
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“People were allowed to own guns, and everyone did own guns [in the West], for the most part,” says Winkler. “Having a firearm to protect yourself in the lawless wilderness from wild animals, hostile native tribes, and outlaws was a wise idea. But when you came into town, you had to either check your guns if you were a visitor or keep your guns at home if you were a resident.”
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Frontier towns with and without gun legislation were violent places, more violent than family-friendly farming communities and Eastern cities of the time, but those without restrictions tended to have worse violence. “I've never seen any rhetoric from that time period saying that the only thing that's going to reduce violence is more people with guns,” says Winkler. “It seems to be much more of a 20th-century attitude than one associated with the Wild West.”
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As Dykstra wrote, frontier towns by and large prohibited the “carrying of dangerous weapons of any type, concealed or otherwise, by persons other than law enforcement officers.” Most established towns that restricted weapons had few, if any, killings in a given year.

 

[Windwalker]

If you have to ask what morality I'm talking about, you are part of the problem.

The fact that you don't recognize that ideas of what is moral changes depending upon which group you ask, shows that you represent the source of the problem, assuming everyone but yourself has to be wrong. It's moral absolutism, that is the problem, and the inability to respect others. You should read Romans 14. Everyone has different ideas of what sin is. But "who are you to judge another man's servant"?

Everyone except white males are oppressed.. that's basic critical race theory...

No that is not critical race theory. That is your guilt speaking.

Yes there's very few true atheists alive period, but their philosophy is widespread. Thier religion of evolution creating us is taught in every public school.

I accept evolution as a fact of nature, and I am not an atheist. How come you as a theist, reject evolution, whereas I do not? I see evolution as the hand of God creating everything. You see it as of the devil.

 

[Heyo]

Only weapons you can make without anyone else you can own.

That should reduce us down to stones, and sharpened sticks to kill each other with.

I can show you how to forge a decent spear head, knife or sword. And I can show you how to make a bow or crossbow.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

If you have to ask what morality I'm talking about, you are part of the problem.
Everyone except white males are oppressed.. that's basic critical race theory... it's inherently racist.
Yes there's very few true atheists alive period, but their philosophy is widespread. Thier religion of evolution creating us is taught in every public school.

*blinks*

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I can show you how to forge a decent spear head, knife or sword. And I can show you how to make a bow or crossbow.

Zip guns aren't too hard.

 

[PureX]

With many/most mass shooters it isn't a fetish.
They go buy their gun a month, weeks or even days before they go on a shooting rampage.

That's often not noticed by others

The delusions of power and grandiosity being expressed through the excessive (and imagined righteous) violence of mass killers is the same thought fetish that fuels America's current gun obsession, generally. The difference is that these mass shooters just take that fetish to it's actual and most obsessive conclusion. The average American gun nut fantasizes about shooting some "bad guy" to save his family and property so he can feel like a man again in a culture and economy that has emasculated and humiliated him. It's why having those guns is so important to him that he will ignore the fact that having guns in his home actually increases the likelihood of his family being injured or killed. And why he will fight tooth and nail to stop the legislation needed to end all these idiotic mass shootings. The suffering of others mean nothing compared to fulfillment of the 'self'.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I was around in the 70's and knew plenty of people that had Ar15's, SKS's, M1 Carbines, etc.

Yes and in the 1950's you could buy dynamite in a hardware store for a nickel. Now that is illegal without a license. People have sense enough not to go about blowing each other up all the time, just as we have sense to stay on the right side of the roads while driving. We have various poisonous substances but don't poison one another. We have dangerous automobiles, yet these are legal. But only the government ought to have deadly weapons! So that we should be defenseless against corrupt mayors or constables or mafia or dogs with rabies or any other thing which could conceivably be handled by an ideal and efficient government. And justice is swift and blind. Lets outlaw door locks, too. Those might interfere with police safety inspections which are for our own safety.

 

[Kathryn]

When I was younger I could walk into a Walmart, Bass Pro, Cabela's, a pawn shops etc. and buy a gun and walk out as soon as it was rang up.

Today if I go to Walmart, Bass Pro, Cabela's, a pawn shops etc. and buy a gun I have to have my drivers license, fill out forms including SS#, criminal and mental history and then its all sent off to the feds with generally a day waiting period to see if I'm clear to purchase a gun.
And there are more laws

Its obvious guns aren't as easy to purchase now as they used to be but shooting are up.


What's changed besides the people/generations?

Violent crimes and homicides are technically "up" but they are far below - far below - the rates seen in the 1990s.
Is Violent Crime Increasing? | Department of Criminology

 

[Wildswanderer]

No that is not critical race theory. That is your guilt speaking.

I'm not guilty.

 

[Wildswanderer]

What the hell is a "true atheist"?

As opposed to a agnostic.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I am going back centuries, and I know definitely not every rural high school student had a riffle, and I doubt rural Indiana was significantly different in that regard. Not even every male student, not even every farm boy.[/QUOTE]
I guarantee you just about every rural household had a gun or three.

 

[Windwalker]

I'm not guilty.

Sinless, are you?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I am going back centuries, and I know definitely not every rural high school student had a riffle, and I doubt rural Indiana was significantly different in that regard. Not even every male student, not even every farm boy.

I guarantee you just about every rural household had a gun or three.[/QUOTE]
A gun in the household is NOT the same having your gun on a gun rack in your truck.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As opposed to a agnostic.

And that is? How does it compare to this "true atheist." You didn't actually answer that.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Sinless, are you?

Not guilty of oppressing anyone.

 

[Windwalker]

Not guilty of oppressing anyone.

So you don't have any inherent biases that you picked up from your culture? You are pure as the wind-driven snow, and were never affected by cultural influences? Tell me how you managed that, if that's the case.

 

[Kathryn]

You know what's interesting to me? I was raised by The Ultimate Prepper parents. I mean, we carried some sort of wheat around with us for literally decades because we could plant it any time. I was worn out by it all, to be honest. I didn't believe in Bigfoot, or alien abductions, or whatever, and my otherwise very intelligent parents did. My dad was able to make his own ammunition, for the record.

A few years before he died, I called my dad about something or other, and his response floored me. He said "I'm too old for this. I'm not going to die on that hill." About that same time, I went to some sort of gun show (not my usual thing but hey, I'll give it a try), and I remember thinking, "These folks are crazy. The military is GOING go find you. Then they will kill you." That's when I realized exactly what my dad was saying.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. You know, I fought the law and the law won and all that good stuff. My sites are set on higher ideals than governments, my "rights," etc. I may go to a concentration camp. I may be killed in a nuclear war. I may have all my precious rights stripped from me. Who knows? One thing is for sure - it won't much matter one way or the other so sadly, there's that.

 

[Wildswanderer]

So you don't have any inherent biases that you picked up from your culture? You are pure as the wind-driven snow, and were never affected by cultural influences? Tell me how you managed that, if that's the case.

Pay attention... I never oppressed anyone.

 

[Kathryn]

One significant thing that has changed is the media coverage and accessibility.

 

[Windwalker]

Pay attention... I never oppressed anyone.

That's not what Critical Race theory accuses you of. The only point of it it to say that we participate in a cultural system that disadvantages others. You don't have to personally oppress someone, in order to be a participant in a system that does.

And if you think that that system has had no effect upon your views of others, then you are simply not seeing it. It affects everyone, whether we recognize it or not. We just don't think about it consciously. We are blind to it. And that's the point. To raise awareness to those who don't see in in themselves, yet it is there nonetheless.

Someone doesn't have to be overt racist, in order to hold views that do create divisions along racial and ethnic lines. It doesn't have to be overt, as you say you don't oppress others yourself. Yet, if put to the test, are we really that colorblind as we may think we are?