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Halal & Kosher meat must be banned and stunning the animal before slaughter must be mandatory India

Tomorrows_Child

Active Member
Wow! Just wow!
You continue to outdo yourself.

1. Let Muslims eat beef and halal meat in India.
2. Islamic killings are the best thing India deserved.
3. Muslims can violate India's laws but other people shouldn't violate Islamic laws.
4. No matter what research says, Islam knows best, including killing animals with pain.
Because it's Islam!

You did not counter my argument. Am I correct in saying non Muslims can drink within their homes/compounds/bars in Saudi Arabia? There is even more freedom to do so in places such as Bahrain.

The 4 points you list make no sense and I have not said any of those things.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Yes so couple religions say no pork, another religion says no cows, I think seafood is out. What is there left, chicken?
 

Subhankar Zac

Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
This has been refuted by subsequent findings and research and isn't Dr Johnson associated with a certain charity which aims to promote a certain idea? You might want to look that up. He is clearly biased in his views, because of his association with this particular group.

And the the part you quoted states that the animals were unconscious pretty quickly, which means, even if their brain was active for a limited period of time, they could not "feel" the pain. Again, basic medical knowledge would help with that.

And I find it curious that he would fail to mention the pain associated with stunning the animal, which has been looked into by some. Then again, it's probably nt mentioned because he represents a group that promotes stunnings.

If you must present and critically evaluate a piece of research, it would be best to quote something where the scientist does not have a vested interest in.


Is there someone who isn't biased?
Any research that points out things that are contradictory to Muslim faith is biased and illogical.

It will turn into a loop like much of the discussions with people of the Islamic faith. But point made clear; do not question the Islamic practices.
I'll note that down.
 

Subhankar Zac

Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
You did not counter my argument. Am I correct in saying non Muslims can drink within their homes/compounds/bars in Saudi Arabia? There is even more freedom to do so in places such as Bahrain.

The 4 points you list make no sense and I have not said any of those things.


You never said any of these things.
Forced conversions and mass religious killings done under the mughal rule in India either empowered India or aren't true.
Non Muslims should respect the Saudi culture and let themselves get beheaded for having personal views.
India should allow halal to Muslims but not Saudi nations.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
So, cattle slaughter could be permitted but by stunning them before hand.

Yes but that would (presumably) prevent the pain of cutting with the pain of stunning. That then could give negative results since stunning will not cause blood to come out since electricity could stop the heart from pumping? I don't think that would make a difference, if that's the case. If a difference in inflicting pain is wanted, then banning slaughter all together is the way to do it. Or maybe using brain tranquilizer like painkillers? But that could spoil the meat. Hmm... dunno!
 

Subhankar Zac

Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
Yes but that would (presumably) prevent the pain of cutting with the pain of stunning. That then could give negative results since stunning will not cause blood to come out since electricity could stop the heart from pumping? I don't think that would make a difference, if that's the case. If a difference in inflicting pain is wanted, then banning slaughter all together is the way to do it. Or maybe using brain tranquilizer like painkillers? But that could spoil the meat. Hmm... dunno!

I m unaware of a case where stunning stopped the heart from pumping out the blood. In the UK and Australia from what I know, halal meat requires stunning.
But your concern is a possibility too.
But still, I'd refrain from halal and Kosher meat as most I've met here still hate the idea of eating meat like, few don't care.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Yes but that would (presumably) prevent the pain of cutting with the pain of stunning. That then could give negative results since stunning will not cause blood to come out since electricity could stop the heart from pumping? I don't think that would make a difference, if that's the case. If a difference in inflicting pain is wanted, then banning slaughter all together is the way to do it. Or maybe using brain tranquilizer like painkillers? But that could spoil the meat. Hmm... dunno!

It should be slaughtered in hospitals and using anesthetic. :D
 

Subhankar Zac

Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
Wtf. He didn't say any of that.


1. Let Muslims eat beef and halal meat in India.

-Now, of course, as a Hindu, you would dislike the entirety of meat slaughter and that is your right to do so but you can not ban others from eating something which is perfectly legal.
(Context of halal meat being banned in India)

2. Islamic killings are the best thing India deserved.
-Muslim rule of India largely led to positive change, with India becoming one of the wealthiest nations on earth. If you know your history, then you also know several ministers and governors serving under Muslim rule were Hindu or even Christian. The idea of some sortof Muslims crusade in India is a myth.
(Putting aside the forced conversions, taxes and killing of Sikh gurus in the name of Islam)

3. Muslims can violate India's laws but other people shouldn't violate Islamic laws.
-Now, in terms of Saudia Arabia, I'm not sure if they allow pork but alcohol is certainly allowed for non-Muslims in particular establishments. Just goto Riyadh and visit the numerous British or American living quarters. In fact, I have non muslim students at my university, who due to their parents working at oil facilities in the country, were educated in Saudia Arabia and frequented establishments with alcohol and even nightclubs.

Now, this is clearly talking about Ramadan, whether you are muslims or otherwise, in Saudi Arabia (it isn't the same case in other some muslim countries) eating and drinking in public is banned. That applies to muslims and non muslims but if you are in your own home, you can eat and drink as much as you like. Iti is ab it stricter than most other muslim countries but it's not impossible to live their during Ramadan, as long as you don't eat in public.

In terms of alcohol, I repeat, you can buy it, drink it, or do whatever you want with it within the compounds specifically built for foreign workers and so on. They have poolside bars and everything. It's just not to be paraded around in public. That's a fair concession imo.

So what's the problem?
(So, people drinking alcohol in private embassies without being seen shows the LEGALITY OF ALCOHOL IN SAUDI)


4. No matter what research says, Islam knows best, including killing animals with pain.
Because it's Islam!
-This has been refuted by subsequent findings and research and isn't Dr Johnson associated with a certain charity which aims to promote a certain idea? You might want to look that up. He is clearly biased in his views, because of his association with this particular group.

And the the part you quoted states that the animals were unconscious pretty quickly, which means, even if their brain was active for a limited period of time, they could not "feel" the pain. Again, basic medical knowledge would help with that.
(I couldn't find anything contradictory and since it says these people can't kill animals like that, its a personal agenda)

Check the previous pages for references.
Also, one shouldn't take shots at the cultural caste system of India if he can't handle arguments against his faith.

What's with the passive aggressive insults? You apparently view yourself as being spiritually superior. Typical. How's that ego working out for you?

Asking people to slaughter with care isn't ego and I m anymore spiritually superior than a 22 year old college grad.
Also this post also speaks of meat cutting in general. Hindus in India use a poorly designed blade to behead chickens.
It is about meat cutting in general and improving the quality of compassion involved in those things.

I still will keep opposing temple sacrifices, but only Muslims Here are opposing any such move like one of the major forces behind opposing the Uniform Civil Code in India.
Everything you ask them is an attack on their religion.
 
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