Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Call me picky, but given that your source can't even get the name right (it's Celts, not Celtics), I don't trust them on the religion.
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Halloween, celebrating Satan's birthday?
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Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
He doesn't know any better. Just try to have some compassion for Revoltingest.
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
Satan and his fallen angels are the enemies of God.
...and I ask again how that even works.
If God is the creator of all things, how can He even have enemies?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
That is more than wildly inaccurate, Starsoul. For the record, I have never, in my 54 years on this backwater planet, heard of anyone doing divination, fortune telling or calling spirits up on Halloween. Stress, on never. Likewise I have never heard of anyone attending a seance or getting out a Ouija Board on Halloween. Never. Last, but not least, I have NEVER heard of any animals or people being sacrificed for Halloween. Apple bobbing does occur. Decorating ones house in a very cheesy, Hollywood-esque, "haunted" motif does occur and indeed candles are lit. Is that a problem?
Really. How, pray tell, would you know what god wants? I am all ears. Give me an intelligent answer to this and I'll give you a cookie.
Say what? Do you have any proof of this rather rich suggestion?
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Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
Because Satan & Co. rebelled against Him. After 1/3rd of the angels in heaven were kicked out, these became the fallen angels who oppose God. That's how it works.
Still fail to see how it's even possible. After all, God created in them the potential for evil.
Sure, it would work if God is the epitome of good, but I've never seen any indication, either in Scripture or in real life, that this is the case.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Personally, I detest Halloween, but it's not because I think it's some kind of an "evil" holiday. I don't even remember liking it as a kid, to be perfectly honest. I know that I am part of something like a 1% (or less) minority, but here are my reasons:
1. I have seldom found a comfortable costume. I like to dress very simply with loose-fitting, relaxing clothing. When I'm wearing a costume, I'm almost always uncomfortable, tugging at it to keep it fitting the way it's supposed to, etc. It's too tight or awkward to move around or sit in or it's too long and you keep tripping over it or something like that. If you wear a mask that just covers the area around the eyes, it seems to shift around so that you can't see well. If you wear a mask that covers the entire face, you can hardly breathe and it's unbearable hot and stuffy.
2. Where I live and grew up, October 31 is almost always pretty darned cold. I can remember as a child, my mother made us the most gorgeous, elaborate, detailed costumes imaginable. She was an excellent seamstress and we always had the neatest costumes of any of our friends. We'd wait until dark and then get ready to go out trick or treating. We'd get all dressed up and would then have to put a coat on top of our costume to keep warm. Nobody would even get to see our costume. We wouldn't wear gloves because it was just too awkward to take the candy and put it in our bags with gloves on, so by the time we got home, my hands were absolutely frozen. I was aching from being outside for so long, even with a coat on.
3. At least 70% of the candy people give out is crap. I've never had much of a sweet tooth anyway, but I can remember dumping out my candy on the living room floor when I got home. I hardly ended up eating most of it. A few people would give us apples. Who gives kids apples for Halloween? You're supposed to get candy, not fruit! And homemade popcorn balls that fell apart in the bag and were pretty much mutilated by the time you got them home.
4. I hate the gore, the blood the distorted, gruesome faces, the fake knives through the heads, guts spilling out, etc. They were never scary, just disgusting.
5. I hate having to keep getting up for hour after hour to go to the door. I can't get into a TV show at all and even reading is hard. You just have to sit in your living room doing nothing, waiting for the doorbell to ring. You just set seated again and you have to get up again. It just goes on for hours!
6. I even hate Halloween colors. I'm not much into black at all, except that I absolutely love black cars. I like orange with other citrusy colors like lemon yellow or lime green and I like it with autumn colors in flower arrangements, etc. But black and orange together are just gaggy.
That said, I don't think it's a satanic holiday or any such nonsense. My church -- the ever-conservative Mormon Church, even has a Halloween party for the kids, so we definitely don't oppose the holiday. It's just me. I know, everybody is going to tell me what a horrible attitude I have. I don't care. That's how I feel.
1. I have seldom found a comfortable costume. I like to dress very simply with loose-fitting, relaxing clothing. When I'm wearing a costume, I'm almost always uncomfortable, tugging at it to keep it fitting the way it's supposed to, etc. It's too tight or awkward to move around or sit in or it's too long and you keep tripping over it or something like that. If you wear a mask that just covers the area around the eyes, it seems to shift around so that you can't see well. If you wear a mask that covers the entire face, you can hardly breathe and it's unbearable hot and stuffy.
2. Where I live and grew up, October 31 is almost always pretty darned cold. I can remember as a child, my mother made us the most gorgeous, elaborate, detailed costumes imaginable. She was an excellent seamstress and we always had the neatest costumes of any of our friends. We'd wait until dark and then get ready to go out trick or treating. We'd get all dressed up and would then have to put a coat on top of our costume to keep warm. Nobody would even get to see our costume. We wouldn't wear gloves because it was just too awkward to take the candy and put it in our bags with gloves on, so by the time we got home, my hands were absolutely frozen. I was aching from being outside for so long, even with a coat on.
3. At least 70% of the candy people give out is crap. I've never had much of a sweet tooth anyway, but I can remember dumping out my candy on the living room floor when I got home. I hardly ended up eating most of it. A few people would give us apples. Who gives kids apples for Halloween? You're supposed to get candy, not fruit! And homemade popcorn balls that fell apart in the bag and were pretty much mutilated by the time you got them home.
4. I hate the gore, the blood the distorted, gruesome faces, the fake knives through the heads, guts spilling out, etc. They were never scary, just disgusting.
5. I hate having to keep getting up for hour after hour to go to the door. I can't get into a TV show at all and even reading is hard. You just have to sit in your living room doing nothing, waiting for the doorbell to ring. You just set seated again and you have to get up again. It just goes on for hours!
6. I even hate Halloween colors. I'm not much into black at all, except that I absolutely love black cars. I like orange with other citrusy colors like lemon yellow or lime green and I like it with autumn colors in flower arrangements, etc. But black and orange together are just gaggy.
That said, I don't think it's a satanic holiday or any such nonsense. My church -- the ever-conservative Mormon Church, even has a Halloween party for the kids, so we definitely don't oppose the holiday. It's just me. I know, everybody is going to tell me what a horrible attitude I have. I don't care. That's how I feel.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Hahaha. That's pretty funny. What if that were true? I'm trying to figure out why that would be such a bad thing. Good parents have kids who go bad all the time.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
And as a parent you must realize that the burden of the blame must go on the parent. That said, what can you not figure out here that would be such a bad thing? If Allah is real, then you and countless other Christians have been sadly misguided. If Satan is real and is in fact the "son of Allah" I don't see how that could be considered a good thing.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
What demons? Where? You can't be serious.
Renji
Well-Known Member
gnostic
The Lost One
midnight pete said:
There's nothing in the Hebrew Tanakh that state the any angel rebel against God, let alone Satan. This nonsense about war in heaven began with Hellenistic texts (3rd century to 1st century BCE), books of Enoch and book of Jubilees, which early Christian writers took far too seriously.
I'm partial to the Jewish view of it. He created all the angels, including those who serve as the accuser. But ha-Satan never rebelled and isn't the epitome of evil according to Judaism; he serves to challenge humanity.
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
Okay, so you haven't. I can live with that. I won't challenge that.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
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Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
Poor Marylin. He's so misunderstood.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Two comments. First off, I know that Muslims don't believe that Allah even has a Son, so when I made my comment, I was considering Allah to be the Abrahamic God, the same God Christians and Jews also believe in. Since Christians do believe that God has a Son by the name of Jesus Christ, I was merely raising the question: What if He also had a bad son? I definitely don't believe that the burden of a child's mistakes or sins must be born by his parent or parents -- provided the parents have taught the children correctly. That would be fundamentally opposed to everything Mormonism teaches.