MaddLlama
Obstructor of justice
Why did someone revive a long dead thread?
FFH wanted to remind me that I said mean things about Pat Robertson.
Boo hoo.
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Why did someone revive a long dead thread?
how about you google the word halloween, and see what is accociated with it.
FFH wanted to remind me that I said mean things about Pat Robertson.
Boo hoo.
I don't suppose anyone (or, rather any Christians who believe Halloween is evil..) would actually be interested in any information on Oíche Shamhna/Samhainn?
Ðanisty;929501 said:Okay, hold on. Halloween is not Satanic. In fact, the most important religious holiday in Satanism is your own birthday.
There isn't anything "holy" about that. That's why those things are all part of the commercialized aspects, and it's really only the Pagan community that treats it as a "holy" day (and, there aren't very many of us).
I should depend on the *Internet* when I can use actual reliable historical works as sources?
Hm. Maybe I should judge the worth of evangelical Christianity by Googling that as well. We can see what's "associated" with it.
Here are the first few hits:
Wiki article (no surprise there)
HALLOWEEN: FROM AN EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN PERSPECTIVE )<- too funny points out evangelical erroneous beliefs about Halloween. Oh, the irony!)
'Evangelical Christianity Has Been Hijacked': An Interview with Tony Campolo--politics faith Democracts gay rights women Falwell -- Beliefnet.com
Evangelical Christianity - religious cults and sects
BBC NEWS | Americas | Evangelical Christians plead for Israel
Evangelical Christianity & Homosexuality: Understanding the Relationship
Well, now...after my "exhaustive" research, I can now firmly conclude that evangelical Christians have gone astray since the time of Luther and ended up caring only about what everyone else is doing with their naughty bits, think nearly everyone else is a "cult", mindlessly back the state of Israel, and and have no concept about doing valid historical research on the historical and current basis of Halloween.
Now personally, I think that's beyond one-sided.
But hey, it's what y'all are "associated" with, so it must be true!
:areyoucra
I'm not a Satanist. I think you'll find though that most LHP practitioners celebrate Halloween because it's fun.but you do use that day as a day of celebration right? why?
There is nothing connected to Halloween that is even remotely Christian.
it still is " ASSOCIATED" with darkness. No?
Halloween is the best of all holidays. It takes place at the best time of year. The air is crisp, cider is being pressed, crispy brown leaves are on the ground. You don't have to gather your extended family as at Thanksgiving. There are no obligatory gifts and parties as at Christmas. Nobody is expected to go to church as on Easter and Christmas, and nobody is expected to indulge their worst instincts as during Carnival. Nobody gets up and makes patriotic speeches, and the Veterans of Foreign Wars don't parade down Main Street. It's the one holiday that's just for fun, whatever kind of fun you prefer, whether it's an event for the kiddies or a barn dance or a raucous party. The one holiday on which all you're expected to do is celebrate however you please.
Those who don't want to participate because they're bothered by anything that isn't explicitly Christian, or because they're disturbed by the way other people celebrate, should stay home and say their prayers. They don't sound like a lot of fun, anyway.
In my Evangelical days I remember attending a long presentation on the evils of Halloween by "Christian comedian" Mike Warnke. As a dutiful Christian soldier I tentatively bought into that view for a few years. In retrospect my views from those days (including the Halloween fears) seem monumentally silly. :areyoucraSo, do any Christians here believe Halloween is actually 'evil' and 'satanic'?
What's the harm in dressing up for a holiday and getting candy? How is this evil?
There is nothing connected to Halloween that is even remotely Christian.
It was a day of religious festivities in various northern European Pagan traditions[citation needed], until Popes Gregory III and Gregory IV moved the old Christian feast of All Saints' Day from May 13 to November 1. In the ninth century, the Church measured the day as starting at sunset, in accordance with the Florentine calendar. Although we now consider All Saints' (or Hallows') Day to occur one day after Halloween, the two holidays were, at that time, celebrated on the same day. Liturgically, the Church traditionally celebrated that day as the Vigil of All Saints, and, until 1970, a day of fasting as well. Like other vigils, it was celebrated on the previous day if it fell on a Sunday, although secular celebrations of the holiday remained on the 31st. The Vigil was suppressed in 1955, but was later restored in the post-Vatican II calendar.
Does something have to have basis or similarity to Christianity in order for it to be OK?
Besides, Halloween is about making children happy. Do Christians not want to make children happy?
Furthermore, I don't know how many time I have to say this: Halloween is not a "satanic" holiday. It is a Pagan one. If you're going to condemn something as evil, you might as well do it for the correct reasons.
no , but it can't be similar to devils, deamons, and ghost either.
Apparenently Catholics are not Christian enough for you:
From Wiki article on Halloween.
Really, Rocka, it's not like it requires a lot of research to read a WIki article.