hands up if you think cars are disgusting things

[Twilight Hue]

The Federal government is discussing a grant for an electric high speed (150 mph up to 186 mph) light rail between Las Vegas and the greater Los Angeles area:

Is a high-speed train between Vegas and L.A. closer to leaving the station?

The Biden administration will give $3 billion to a high-speed electric rail line between Las Vegas and Los Angeles. Travel time is two-and-a-half hours. The train would travel 186 miles per hour.

news.yahoo.com

Then you're dependent on someone else's schedule and not your own.

Not my cup of tea for the greater part although such things serve a useful purpose.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We need to tax EV owners for road repair. Right now only gas powered owners are paying the gasoline taxes that in part go to infrastructure yet they are using the infrastructure.

Oh there is no doubt that that will happen fairly soon. Right now EV owners are getting a tax benefit for being early adopters. The odds are that some sort of mileage tax will have to be made.

Can you tell me where we will get the power to charge all these new EV's?

We are continually making more and more new plants that are mostly green. We may have to up the rate a bit. Here is one thing that deniers do not understand: These changes will not be over night. It is going to take years for us to replace cars with ICE's. And that is how we want to change things. A gradual change as more and more people adopt the superior technology. Do you realize that "peak oil" is a real thing? We are approaching the point where oil prices will go up uncontrollably if we do not find alternatives. There are only so many fossil fuels. Yes, we can keep developing new ones and finding ways of getting more oil out of old sources, that is largely what fracking is. It enable both new low quality sources to be used and also to extract more oil from what were spent oil wells. But that just delays the obvious. It is far better to have a gradual change then to wake up one morning and realize that there is almost no oil left to drill for.

 

[PureX]

That's true.

A friend just lost her license(due to a seizure disorder), and has stated how much control over her own life she just lost. She has to change her schedule at work to times when there's a bus available, or there will be friends or family available to ferry her(the bus system is not great in our city). Being unable to cover the 6am shift may impact her income as well. Now she has to meticulously plan what items she needs, because she can't just zip out and buy more(the nearest store is about 3 miles away; a big deal in a cold wintery area).

We are an enormously car-reliant society. This is very unfortunate for all those folks that cannot drive. In fact, it really ends up being the threshold to abject poverty. No car: no job, no job: no home, no home: ... jails, prisons, hospitals, and death.

 

[Viker]

Unfortunately, cars have become a necessity in most of the US. I'd rather there be motorcycles for most and four wheel cages for service and industry only, buses, eighteen wheeler trucks, taxis, etc.

I'm all for the coming motorcycle revolution in America, as it seems to be in the rest of the world.

 

[PureX]

Unfortunately, cars have become a necessity in most of the US. I'd rather there be motorcycles for most and four wheel cages for service and industry only, buses, eighteen wheeler trucks, taxis, etc.

I'm all for the coming motorcycle revolution in America, as it seems to be in the rest of the world.

I really appreciate the great many motorized variations available to people in places like Manila. But they have a warm climate. Much of the US does not. We need enclosed-cab vehicles most of the year and this unfortunately limits the less expensive and more efficient possibilities. Also, we have designed our vast tracts of semi-urban areas for higher speeds then would be safe for alot of the less expensive motorized alternatives.

 

[crossfire]

Then you're dependent on someone else's schedule and not your own.

Not my cup of tea for the greater part although such things serve a useful purpose.

Even if it's 3+ times faster than you can drive yourself? It would probably be quicker than taking an airplane once you factor TSA screening and waiting lines.

 

[Shaul]

Cars are mere tools. They are inanimate objects and amoral. They should neither be loved nor hated. You might just as well have written that you despise hammers, toasters or sealing wax.

 

[We Never Know]

Cars are mere tools. They are inanimate objects and amoral. They should neither be loved nor hated. You might just as well have written that you despise hammers, toasters or sealing wax.

Don't forget electric. That's some nasty stuff lol

 

[JustGeorge]

Cars are mere tools. They are inanimate objects and amoral. They should neither be loved nor hated. You might just as well have written that you despise hammers, toasters or sealing wax.

I despise toasters.

Don't forget electric. That's some nasty stuff lol

That really can be, used improperly...

well, so can toasters. But they're harder to misuse.

 

[We Never Know]

I despise toasters.

That really can be, used improperly...

well, so can toasters. But they're harder to misuse.

Just don't drop a toaster in the tub when someone is in it

 

[Shaul]

Just don't drop a toaster in the tub when someone is in it

How would someone get in a toaster?

 

[We Never Know]

How would someone get in a toaster?

One leg at a time

 

[Subduction Zone]

That really can be, used improperly...

well, so can toasters. But they're harder to misuse.

Have you ever tried to take a bath with one? Word of advice, if you are having a nice long soak and you get a sudden urge for toast, wait. Trust me.

 

[JustGeorge]

Have you ever tried to take a bath with one? Word of advice, if you are having a nice long soak and you get a sudden urge for toast, wait. Trust me.

I guess its fortunate I don't care much for toast!

 

[Twilight Hue]

Even if it's 3+ times faster than you can drive yourself? It would probably be quicker than taking an airplane once you factor TSA screening and waiting lines.

Like a lot of people, there needs to be an assessment regarding practicality, if it's cheaper, if it really will save time, and the distance from the rails.

It might be great to visit friends and family, do administrative or small tasks, but not very good for shopping for the week, or picking up a couch or table and some would rather pick it up themselves rather than pay exorbitant delivery fees.

It also does little to address people living in rural areas.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

We are continually making more and more new plants that are mostly green. We may have to up the rate a bit. Here is one thing that deniers do not understand: These changes will not be over night. It is going to take years for us to replace cars with ICE's. And that is how we want to change things. A gradual change as more and more people adopt the superior technology. Do you realize that "peak oil" is a real thing? We are approaching the point where oil prices will go up uncontrollably if we do not find alternatives. There are only so many fossil fuels. Yes, we can keep developing new ones and finding ways of getting more oil out of old sources, that is largely what fracking is. It enable both new low quality sources to be used and also to extract more oil from what were spent oil wells. But that just delays the obvious. It is far better to have a gradual change then to wake up one morning and realize that there is almost no oil left to drill for.

So where will the energy come from to power these electric cars? People used about 100 billion gallons of gasoline in the US in 2020. At 120,000 btu/gallon that is 1.2 x 10^6 btu's. or 2.0 x 10^12 kWh. The US produced 4.3 x 10^12 kWh in 2022. So we would have to produce 150% of all production in the US to power these cars. Then if we want all renewable energy we would need an additional 3 x 10^12 kWh. (Renewable now is only 30% in the US.) So we would need to build 5-6 times more renewable energy sources than we have today in the US just to power the cars with renewable energy. Of course you can check my numbers.

 

[Secret Chief]

It's cold where I am right now and the exhaust fumes of cars are clearly visible in the crisp winter's air

I've seen loads of cars, all releasing fumes into the atmosphere.... the same atmosphere that everyone has to breath in order to keep living

I think this is utterly disgusting, it is totally anti-social

The sooner petrol fuelled cars are replaced by electric ones the better and by "car" I mean all motor vehicles

I think cars as we know them today are disgusting

It is even worse than not cleaning up after your dog and more harmful than fly-tipping

Hands up if you think cars are disgusting and anti-social

I most certainly do

How can you tell if we've got our hands up?

 

[Eddi]

How can you tell if we've got our hands up?

I can't

But if people doing so makes them feel better about themselves then where's the harm?

 

[Secret Chief]

I can't

But if people doing so makes them feel better about themselves then where's the harm?

No prob; I just type slower.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So where will the energy come from to power these electric cars? People used about 100 billion gallons of gasoline in the US in 2020. At 120,000 btu/gallon that is 1.2 x 10^6 btu's. or 2.0 x 10^12 kWh. The US produced 4.3 x 10^12 kWh in 2022. So we would have to produce 150% of all production in the US to power these cars. Then if we want all renewable energy we would need an additional 3 x 10^12 kWh. (Renewable now is only 30% in the US.) So we would need to build 5-6 times more renewable energy sources than we have today in the US just to power the cars with renewable energy. Of course you can check my numbers.

Didn't you read my post? We are building those new green power plants. That will take time. But so will the switch to electric. No one is saying that everyone has to change now.

You even knew the answer so why ask the question?