Yerda
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You don't think that sounds bananas, though?
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Harris Called Out For Being A Communist
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His plan? All i have heard him say is that he wants to drill for more oil. The USA is already the world leader in oil production. Drilling more means oil permitting which already exist, but oil companies aren’t using. It’s not worth the investment as oil demand decreases.
Does he have green energy plans? That’s the future. Show us a source where he is advocating for green energy.
Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
And govt controls have driven up prices. Still your silliness
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
You simply do not know what you're talking about but keep digging your hole deeper and deeper and... Maybe try studying economics, but then you act like a know-it-all, so you likely won't. So, why am I wasting my time?
Hmmmm?Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
But you never got around to "correcting" me there did you? Your over inflated sense of self is amusing.You simply do not know what you're talking about but keep digging your hole deeper and deeper and... Maybe try studying economics, but then you act like a know-it-all, so you likely won't. So, why am I wasting my time?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I am still waitnig for an answer to our exchange.
Harris Called Out For Being A Communist
How do you know that? I mean, you might be right, but I have so far not given it much tought or looked into it. You seem to have done so, so how do you know it? https://odi.org/en/about/our-work/climate-and-sustainability/faq-2-oil-and-gas-poverty-and-economic-development/ Also no currently...
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Well, we've seen how "correcting" you has worked out as all you do is to return to spout childish stereotypes. But you're right-- I am wasting my time, so...
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
They are not. In 2022 Oil and natural gas subsidies were $2.3B, Renewables subsidies were $15.6 B. Wind and solar accounted for 94% of the energy subsidies but only produced 5.5% of the primary energy. Petroleum and gas received 15% of the subsidies and produced 80% of the primary energy in 2022. Long term large subsidies funded by public debt will lead to inflation etc.
It is not as reliable nor is it as robust. I work for a large college campus, we have had solar studies done, over the life of the solar array our overall cost is $0.099/kWh, I can purchase it at an escalated equivalent price of $0.084/kWh. That does not include any battery storage or solar production degradation over time. Now we can get government money to subsidize our project to make the financials work for us but overall the project is not a good financial decision.
If we purchase renewable energy our cost will go up as well about 1.0-1.5 cents per kWh, may not sound like much, but that equates to over $1M in costs per year.
If I lived in the NE or California maybe the numbers do work since they have a lot higher electric rate. Without storage a large amount of fossil fuel would still be needed.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
I never said he advocated for green energy. But he does say this in Agenda 47
Republicans will unleash Energy Production from all sources, including nuclear, to immediately slash Inflation and power American homes, cars, and factories with reliable, abundant, and affordable Energy.
All Trump has said is more oil drilling, which won’t be helpful for many years. Nothing about green energy.
So all of a sudden the party that has vilified green energy is its biggest supporter? I call bull**** on that. I’m not convinced. We can’t trust MAGA.
Argentbear
Well-Known Member
Government controls are responsible for the price gouging corporations are engaging in?
Argentbear
Well-Known Member
What does "unleash energy production" mean?
How would it immediately slash inflation?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Same difference.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Wind and solar are inferior technologies.
What's that mean?
What 2 differences are you comparing?
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Then what are you arguing, those were lifetime costs, IE what it will cost now, not legacy generation and renewables are already lower and coming down. Any how, even your link doesn't support you.
Well he has a minor point, it was government controls that took the air from the toxic brown haze in LA in the 70's to the breathable air there now. The Cuyahoga hasn't caught on fire in a while either and cancer causing UV radiation is decreasing but obviously it would still be cheaper if we didn't care about any of that. On the other hand we would be the only species that defecates in its den. But hey, that is evolution and some are not due to reproduce.You simply do not know what you're talking about but keep digging your hole deeper and deeper and... Maybe try studying economics, but then you act like a know-it-all, so you likely won't. So, why am I wasting my time?
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Really, what is inferior about them? If you mean not yet optimized, duh, they are improving efficiency every year and burning fossil fuels is very close to theoretical limits established in the 1800s, They are not getting any better but wind and solar are.
Wind and Solar are already the cheapest sources available, you have noticed that nobody is building coal fired plants haven't you?
Trump said he was going to bring back coal, he lied, coal production and usage for energy generation.
Donald doesn't know what he is talking about again. This includes exports. We can't even sell the stuff to China.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'll back nuclear and hydrogen.Really, what is inferior about them? If you mean not yet optimized, duh, they are improving efficiency every year and burning fossil fuels is very close to theoretical limits established in the 1800s, They are not getting any better but wind and solar are.
Wind and Solar are already the cheapest sources available, you have noticed that nobody is building coal fired plants haven't you?
Trump said he was going to bring back coal, he lied, coal production and usage for energy generation.
Donald doesn't know what he is talking about again. This includes exports. We can't even sell the stuff to China.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Unfortunately we are nowhere near solving the waste problem and as a result, it is one of the most expensive options. Hydrogen is not even an energy source, only an as yet mediocre storage medium.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well people had better get to work and try to make fossil power inferior.