Harris Snatching Patents

[Estro Felino]

Logical, there isn't one.

Healthcare cannot be considered something profitable, because it is a matter of life or death.
Prostitution can.

 

[Stonetree]

No, that is what communist governments do, steal patents and destroy companies. Do you like having these life saving drugs? We will have less of them if this is done.

I doubt they will, She has shown no inclination to answer any questions about her policies. Do we not have the right to question her and her policies? Dictators do not get elected nor do they answer questions from the people.

Why can't any talk about Harris's positions without bring up Trump? Are her positions only good because Trump is bad?

That happened. She received 0 primary votes, Biden was forced because the dems knew he couldn't win, not because he was incapacitated That is thwarting the vote of the people in the dem party. That happened.

Ok, what has this do do with Harris's policies?

Yes, by force, you lower your prices or we will take the patent from you. That sound like democracy in action.

Can you focus on Harris's policies?

MSN

Harris said in 2019 that she wants price controls on drug companies and if they don't comply she will snatch their patents and she will take over.

“For any drug where they fail to play by our rules, and if that drug came about from federal funding for what’s called ‘R and D,’ research and development, I will snatch their patent so that we will take over,” she said. “Yes we can do that! The question is, do you have the will to do it?” “I have the will to do it,” the now Democratic nominee for president said.

Dictators do this. This would end the drug industry and no more new life saving drugs would be created. Wouldn't it be nice for the media to be able to ask her about this? Is she still in favor of this? We can only assume she is. The answer is to not give these grants for R&D, which I am in favor of, but she wants control over the drug companies instead.

Prices in the United States are higher than those in all comparison countries....(ASPE | Office of the Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluationaspe.hhs.gov)

• U.S. prices were 256 percent of those in the 32 comparison countries combined. In comparisons with individual countries, U.S. prices ranged from 170 percent of prices in Mexico to 779 percent of prices in Turkey.
• The gap between U.S. prices and prices in other countries was larger for brand-name originator drugs.
• U.S. prices were 84 percent of prices in all non-U.S. countries for unbranded generics.
• U.S. prices were 190 percent of prices in other countries after adjusting U.S. prices downward to account for rebates and other discounts.

 

[John53]

Prices in the United States are higher than those in all comparison countries

• U.S. prices were 256 percent of those in the 32 comparison countries combined. In comparisons with individual countries, U.S. prices ranged from 170 percent of prices in Mexico to 779 percent of prices in Turkey.
• The gap between U.S. prices and prices in other countries was larger for brand-name originator drugs.
• U.S. prices were 84 percent of prices in all non-U.S. countries for unbranded generics.
• U.S. prices were 190 percent of prices in other countries after adjusting U.S. prices downward to account for rebates and other discounts.

I pay $7.50 for scripts here and there's a safety net, if I go over $1,600 worth in a year they're free.

 

[McBell]

Then give me a logical explanation why in the USA prostitution is not recognized as a legal business.

It is.
At least it is in a few places:

• Nevada: Prostitution is legal in some rural counties in Nevada, but strictly regulated. For example, Esmeralda, Lander, Mineral, Nye, and Storey counties allow brothels throughout, while Elko, Humboldt, Lyon, and White Pine counties only allow brothels in some incorporated communities. Prostitution is illegal in Clark, Washoe, Carson City, Pershing, Douglas, Eureka, and Lincoln counties, including Las Vegas, Reno, and the state capital.
  
  
• California and New Hampshire: Prostitution is decriminalized to a limited extent in these states, with exceptions around filming pornography. For example, in 2022, California passed the Safer Streets for All Act, which prevents police from arresting people for loitering for prostitution.
  
  
• Maine: Prostitution is decriminalized in Maine, but it's illegal to buy sex.
  

Now that I have addressed your blatant distraction....

Like it or not, in the USA, both education and medicine are businesses.

 

[McBell]

Healthcare cannot be considered something profitable, because it is a matter of life or death.

In the USA, healthcare is in fact a business.
And it is most profitable.
Even for the so called "not for profit" companies.

 

[Estro Felino]

It is.
At least it is in a few places:

• Nevada: Prostitution is legal in some rural counties in Nevada, but strictly regulated. For example, Esmeralda, Lander, Mineral, Nye, and Storey counties allow brothels throughout, while Elko, Humboldt, Lyon, and White Pine counties only allow brothels in some incorporated communities. Prostitution is illegal in Clark, Washoe, Carson City, Pershing, Douglas, Eureka, and Lincoln counties, including Las Vegas, Reno, and the state capital.
  
  
• California and New Hampshire: Prostitution is decriminalized to a limited extent in these states, with exceptions around filming pornography. For example, in 2022, California passed the Safer Streets for All Act, which prevents police from arresting people for loitering for prostitution.
  
  
• Maine: Prostitution is decriminalized in Maine, but it's illegal to buy sex.

Now that I have addressed your blatant distraction....

Like it or not, in the USA, both education and medicine are businesses.

I meant in NY or Texas.

 

[McBell]

I meant in NY or Texas.

You do know there is a whole lot more to the USA than just NY and TX, right?
I mean, TX and NY are only two of the fifty states in the USA.

 

[Estro Felino]

You do know there is a whole lot more to the USA than just NY and TX, right?
I mean, TX and NY are only two of the fifty states in the USA.

You will not answer.
Like the Cheshire Cat.
I am your Alice. ❤

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's the goal of for profit healthcare. My doctor in Indiana got in trouble with one employer because they didn't want her spending time with her patients as they do. They had a problem with it, she went elsewhere and brought a lot of her patients with her.
But if it wasn't so expensive to get all the schooling and training and licensing we would probably get a much better quality of healthcare provider as the rich jerks who are just staying rich will have to compete against people who actually want to be their and help people (and one both sides it really shows who's there dor the patients and who's there for the paycheck).

While there's no question there are individuals who are caring and kind within Healthcare, we know the real devils are those who eagerly charge countless administrative and personal fees and the resulting billing, which shows without a doubt, points out more where their real priorities actually lay with individual patients.

 

[John53]

Come on @McBell , keep up with the moving goal posts.

 

[McBell]

You will not answer.
Like the Cheshire Cat.
I am your Alice. ❤

What is it you claim I did not answer?

If you are talking about:

Then give me a logical explanation why in the USA prostitution is not recognized as a legal business.​

​

My answer was that it is.
I then provided the information to show where it is recognized.

 

[Stonetree]

I pay $7.50 for scripts here and there's a safety net, if I go over $1,600 worth in a year they're free.

Your plan is great compared to mine. My Medicare drug plan premium:$130/month(graduated by age) and I've paid about $950(out of pocket) besides the premium so far this year but I'm treating multiple serious ailments.

 

[John53]

Your plan is great compared to mine. My Medicare drug plan premium:$130/month(graduated by age) and I've paid about $950(out of pocket) besides the premium so far this year but I'm treating multiple serious ailments.

You have to be rich if you intend being unwell in the good old U.S. of A.

 

[Revoltingest]

In all other developed world countries, the govt directly negotiates with the drug companies to determine the prices of the prescription drugs. That is why the costs are lower. That is obviously the solution.

To say it's "obvious" requires presenting a total picture.
It's not as simple as government setting lower prices.
For example....
In these countries, how much R&D is done for new drugs?

The high cost of prescription drugs: causes and solutions
Ideally, monopolies will be temporary because eventually generic competition should emerge as patents expire. Unfortunately, in cancers and chronic life-threatening diseases, this often does not happen. By the time a drug runs out of patent life, it is already considered obsolete (planned obsolescence) and is no longer the standard of care4. A “new and improved version” with a fresh patent life and monopoly protection has already taken the stage. In the case of biologic drugs, cumbersome manufacturing and biosimilar approval processes are additional barriers that greatly limit the number of competitors that can enter the market.

Clearly, all monopolies need to be regulated in order to protect citizens, and therefore most of the developed world uses some form of regulations to cap the launch prices of new prescription drugs. Unregulated monopolies pose major problems. Unregulated monopoly over an essential product can lead to unaffordable prices that threaten the life of citizens. This is the case in the United States, where there are no regulations to control prescription drug prices and no enforceable mechanisms for value-based pricing.

To argue for price controls by considering
only the advantages risks unintended
consequences.

 

[Revoltingest]

The government subsidizes research through grants, contracts, and tax writeoffs.

I agree that grants & contracts should & do confer
rights to the grantor. Do you claim either....
1) They're granted without gaining an interest in the results.
2) Rights in the results aren't being honored.

"Writeoff"?
Please explain how this is a subsidy.
FYI...

When I worked in a major aerospace corporation, we had to follow regulations in terms of how the money could be spent, especially when it was for research and development, which were not supposed to go into paying for normal business processes and product development. When I first started work in by R&D job at the corporation, the government had audited and was suing the company for alleged misuse of such funds in our organization, on the grounds that the IR&D money was being misdirected in the past to pay for internal product development rather than innovative research projects. The IR&D "color" of money got larger tax breaks than other types. If you worked on a government contract, the government did conduct oversight on progress and retain certain ownership rights of the intellectual property. If the company funded a project without any government support, subsidy, or tax benefit, it completely owned the results of development. Otherwise, there were strings attached to what was produced. The rules were very complicated.

I worked in aerospace too.
One had to honor one's contracts.

 

[Father Heathen]

I don't.

A very wise doctor told me once, "Whatever the father is, that would be my choice." Makes sense to me.

Infants can't consent. I was circumcised as an infant, and if I were given the choice later in life I would've chosen to keep my penis intact.

 

[Father Heathen]

Then give me a logical explanation why in the USA prostitution is not recognized as a legal business.

Conservatives. It is however legal in some parts of Nevada.

 

[Revoltingest]

In the USA, healthcare is in fact a business.
And it is most profitable.
Even for the so called "not for profit" companies.

Interesting tidbit about profiting from health care.
Obamacare imposed an excise tax on medical devices.
(To make them cost more.)
It was only repealed later, when Trump was Prez.

 

[sayak83]

To say it's "obvious" requires presenting a total picture.
It's not as simple as government setting lower prices.
For example....
In these countries, how much R&D is done for new drugs?

To argue for price controls by considering
only the advantages risks unintended
consequences.

So every country, Europe, Canada, Japan etc are wrong and US is right in paying 5x more prices??
RnD in medicine happens as much in these countries as in US. These countries are evidence that there ARE not unintended consequences in regulating drug prices.
I will say no more. I have provided evidence showing that US people are paying much much more than other first world countries on the SAME drugs. I have shown papers that provide evidence that this is due to lack of price regulations on patent monopolies (which is NOT a free market system) and US PPL are paying the price.
Now you show evidence as to how US people are benefiting from paying $1000 for a drug that is sold in Canada for $250.
Thanks.

 

[Revoltingest]

So every country, Europe, Canada, Japan etc are wrong and US is right in paying 5x more prices??

That's your conclusion.
It doesn't address my questions about
the range of effects of government
price control. Nor about what deals
government makes with recipients
of grants & subsidies.
I'd like an answer to my questions before
you ask me new ones.

RnD in medicine happens as much in these countries as in US. These countries are evidence that there ARE not unintended consequences in regulating drug prices.

To what extent?

I will say no more.

I don't believe it.

I have provided evidence showing that US people are paying much much more than other first world countries on the SAME drugs.

I don't dispute this.

I have shown papers that provide evidence that this is due to lack of price regulations on patent monopolies (which is NOT a free market system) and US PPL are paying the price.

I don't dispute this.

Now you show evidence as to how US people are benefiting from paying $1000 for a drug that is sold in Canada for $250.
Thanks.

What claim have I made that you want evidence for?
I'm just highly skeptical of claims that things would
be better if government had more power to regulate
prices & to confiscate patents.

There is something to be said for a profit driven
drug industry. When Covid arrived, the industry
delivered several vaccines in record time (with
the FDA easing back on regulation).