Harsh Truth: If Intelligent Design is Untestable . . .

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

If you can show how it was chosen, then it wouldn't be denied, would it? Just show us the evidence for how things are chosen.

I am just reading a book saying how Hamilton's quaternions were / are rejected in physics for +150 years, while they are central to the way the universe operates. As an example of how mainstream science can simply be wrong, 150 years and continuing to be wrong.

There are common human prejudices, some of which prejudices have been enstated in religions, but these prejudices arise naturally without religion. Generally, in the broad picture, religion works against prejudices. The major intellectual issue with human beings, is knowledge of good and evil. People crave it, but having it means to throw out subjectivity, and throw out knowledge about making decisions.

That is the real underlaying reason for opposing creationism, or so to say, knowledge about how things are chosen in the universe. It is simply complete nonsense that this is about a lack of evidence for freedom being real and relevant in the universe.

 

[Sapiens]

Religion isn't against Heliocentrism nor against evolution.

... and what other clear realities do you deny?

 

[Sapiens]

I am just reading a book saying how Hamilton's quaternions were / are rejected in physics for +150 years, while they are central to the way the universe operates. As an example of how mainstream science can simply be wrong, 150 years and continuing to be wrong.

While not my field, that is hardly what wiki describes: William Rowan Hamilton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are common human prejudices, some of which prejudices have been enstated in religions, but these prejudices arise naturally without religion. Generally, in the broad picture, religion works against prejudices.

I wonder what alternate universe you live in.

The major intellectual issue with human beings, is knowledge of good and evil. People crave it, but having it means to throw out subjectivity, and throw out knowledge about making decisions.

That is the real underlaying reason for opposing creationism, or so to say, knowledge about how things are chosen in the universe. It is simply complete nonsense that this is about a lack of evidence for freedom being real and relevant in the universe.

So you say, over and over and over and over, yet you NEVER get around to supporting your claim(s).

 

[FearGod]

... and what other clear realities do you deny?

That all things came to existence from nothingness, from vacuum and it doesn't make any sense.
If you accept that it wasn't vacuum, then why not God.

 

[Skwim]

That all things came to existence from nothingness, from vacuum and it doesn't make any sense.
If you accept that it wasn't vacuum, then why not God.

Well, one huge difference is that unlike the "vacuum" (better termed "initial singularity"), god, your god in particular, comes with all sorts of baggage. He's this. He's that. He's the other thing. All of which was made up out of thin air, or plucked from the writings passed down from various ancient Mediterranean civilizations. And all of which are requisite for the construction of this god being. Truthfully, the choice almost screams for Occam's razor to settle the issue.

 

[shawn001]

It isn't about east and west but that creationists contribute in the field of science, so it's stupid to think that religion opposes or works against science.

"religion opposes or works against science."

Not in the case of the Wedge document.

 

[shawn001]

That all things came to existence from nothingness, from vacuum and it doesn't make any sense.
If you accept that it wasn't vacuum, then why not God.

You know its Vacuum of SPACE right?

Does QM physic's make sense to you?

Do the number of stars make sense?

The size of the Universe?

"Why not God" using the observation's we see? Micro and Macro Evolution for example. But, just by using God, insert your's here______, it doesn't help to explain the Observations we see. We are looking for answers through science, God didn't leave the scientific manual.

 

[FearGod]

You know its Vacuum of SPACE right?

Does QM physic's make sense to you?

Do the number of stars make sense?

The size of the Universe?

"Why not God" using the observation's we see? Micro and Macro Evolution for example. But, just by using God, insert your's here______, it doesn't help to explain the Observations we see. We are looking for answers through science, God didn't leave the scientific manual.

But we'll never understand life or how to create life, God said creation of the soul and life is within his knowledge only, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't study our physical body.

 

[Sapiens]

That all things came to existence from nothingness, from vacuum and it doesn't make any sense.
If you accept that it wasn't vacuum, then why not God.

That's the logical fallacy known as argument from ignorance.

 

[FearGod]

Well, one huge difference is that unlike the "vacuum" (better termed "initial singularity"), god, your god in particular, comes with all sorts of baggage. He's this. He's that. He's the other thing. All of which was made up out of thin air, or plucked from the writings passed down from various ancient Mediterranean civilizations. And all of which are requisite for the construction of this god being. Truthfully, the choice almost screams for Occam's razor to settle the issue.

One question and to be answered straight.

Do you believe that nothingness can create a thing ?
If we want to think the right way then there should be no universe, no vacuum, nothingness which means nothingness, then how existence started when there was nothing existed ?

 

[FearGod]

That's the logical fallacy known as argument from ignorance.

I said it before giving names and terms won't change reality.
The reality is that nothing can come to existence from nothingness and call this reality as argument from ignorance or any terms you wish.

 

[Bunyip]

I said it before giving names and terms won't change reality.
The reality is that nothing can come to existence from nothingness and call this reality as argument from ignorance or any terms you wish.

Why not?

 

[shawn001]

But we'll never understand life or how to create life, God said creation of the soul and life is within his knowledge only, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't study our physical body.

We understand quite a bit about life and that is growing exponentially.

Not only are we studying it, but through understanding it changing it through

Intelligent Self-directed Evolution

 

[shawn001]

I said it before giving names and terms won't change reality.
The reality is that nothing can come to existence from nothingness and call this reality as argument from ignorance or any terms you wish.

And the reality in physics is there is no such thing as NO-THING.

 

[shawn001]

One question and to be answered straight.

Do you believe that nothingness can create a thing ?
If we want to think the right way then there should be no universe, no vacuum, nothingness which means nothingness, then how existence started when there was nothing existed ?

What's the Total Energy In the Universe?

"
The question, then, is why the ball started falling in the first place. How did something – composed of equal positive and negative parts, mind you – come from nothing?

Physicists aren't exactly sure, but their best guess is that the extreme positive and negative quantities of energy randomly fluctuated into existence. "Quantum theory, and specifically Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle, provide a natural explanation for how that energy may have come out of nothing," wrote Filippenko and Pasachoff.

They continued, "Throughout the universe, particles and antiparticlesspontaneously form and quickly annihilate each other without violating the law of energy conservation. These spontaneous births and deaths of so-called 'virtual particle' pairs are known as 'quantum fluctuations.' Indeed, laboratory experiments have proven that quantum fluctuations occur everywhere, all the time."

Cosmologists have constructed a theory called inflation that accounts for the way in which a small volume of space occupied by a virtual particle pair could have ballooned to become the vast universe we see today. Alan Guth, one of the main brains behind inflationary cosmology, thus described the universe as "the ultimate free lunch."

In a lecture, Caltech cosmologist Sean Carroll put it this way: "You can create a compact, self-contained universe without needing any energy at all.""

What's the Total Energy In the Universe?



Quantum Foam, Virtual Particles and Other Curiosities

"Quantum physicists regularly ask you with a straight face to accept what seems to be complete nonsense. Particles are also waves; cats are alive and dead at the same time. But some of the most incredible creatures of the quantum realm get far less attention than Schrödinger’s famous cat. They’re called virtual particles, and they might be the reason the universe exists in the first place. In the pencast below, I’ll explain the basics of virtual particles. Then read on to learn more.

While the Big Bang theory explains how the universe has expanded and cooled since it began, it is quite silent on what “pulled the trigger,” so to speak. We simply don’t know what started the process. How there could be nothing at one moment and an entire baby universe the next?

It turns out that getting something from nothing is just business as usual for virtual particles.

Quantum Foam, Virtual Particles and Other Curiosities - The Nature of Reality — The Nature of Reality | PBS

 

[FearGod]

We understand quite a bit about life and that is growing exponentially.

Not only are we studying it, but through understanding it changing it through

Intelligent Self-directed Evolution

Can we stop a devastating typhoon from coming ?
Realizing the judgement day is as reality as knowing of a coming typhoon, if not well prepared then it'll end us, that's how i think of it.

 

[FearGod]

And the reality in physics is there is no such thing as NO-THING.

The question is how there was a thing and which is the singularity, where it comes from and what causes it to start ?

 

[FearGod]

What's the Total Energy In the Universe?

"
The question, then, is why the ball started falling in the first place. How did something – composed of equal positive and negative parts, mind you – come from nothing?

Physicists aren't exactly sure, but their best guess is that the extreme positive and negative quantities of energy randomly fluctuated into existence. "Quantum theory, and specifically Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle, provide a natural explanation for how that energy may have come out of nothing," wrote Filippenko and Pasachoff.

They continued, "Throughout the universe, particles and antiparticlesspontaneously form and quickly annihilate each other without violating the law of energy conservation. These spontaneous births and deaths of so-called 'virtual particle' pairs are known as 'quantum fluctuations.' Indeed, laboratory experiments have proven that quantum fluctuations occur everywhere, all the time."

Cosmologists have constructed a theory called inflation that accounts for the way in which a small volume of space occupied by a virtual particle pair could have ballooned to become the vast universe we see today. Alan Guth, one of the main brains behind inflationary cosmology, thus described the universe as "the ultimate free lunch."

In a lecture, Caltech cosmologist Sean Carroll put it this way: "You can create a compact, self-contained universe without needing any energy at all.""

What's the Total Energy In the Universe?



Quantum Foam, Virtual Particles and Other Curiosities

"Quantum physicists regularly ask you with a straight face to accept what seems to be complete nonsense. Particles are also waves; cats are alive and dead at the same time. But some of the most incredible creatures of the quantum realm get far less attention than Schrödinger’s famous cat. They’re called virtual particles, and they might be the reason the universe exists in the first place. In the pencast below, I’ll explain the basics of virtual particles. Then read on to learn more.

While the Big Bang theory explains how the universe has expanded and cooled since it began, it is quite silent on what “pulled the trigger,” so to speak. We simply don’t know what started the process. How there could be nothing at one moment and an entire baby universe the next?

It turns out that getting something from nothing is just business as usual for virtual particles.

Quantum Foam, Virtual Particles and Other Curiosities - The Nature of Reality — The Nature of Reality | PBS

And i don't make guesses, but i believe God is behind it.

 

[shawn001]

Can we stop a devastating typhoon from coming ?
Realizing the judgement day is as reality as knowing of a coming typhoon, if not well prepared then it'll end us, that's how i think of it.

By the way you avatar suggests it with FearGod, but is God to be feared?

"Can we stop a devastating typhoon from coming"

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe at least better warning and protection, but right now we are making storms worse.

We could get hit by a large asteroid at any second and be wiped out.

 

[shawn001]

The question is how there was a thing and which is the singularity, where it comes from and what causes it to start ?

Apply that to the God question?