Has Greta studied this?

[Notanumber]

Solar farms like the one nearby.
Huge wind farms like the one just off shore.
Tidal generators being considered for high rise tidal areas.
Reservoir hydro-generator systems.

Effective power saving.
Better U values for new homes
Heat retentive glazing.

It goes on.

Why are you so determined to do nothing?

Nuclear energy in tandem with quick reacting gas power stations is the only way that we stand a chance of powering all these proposed EV’s.

BTW, I have been in favour of tidal power for a long time but your David Attenborough types are against that and nuclear energy.

Reservoir hydro-generator systems to store potential energy working in tandem with tidal power is worth investigating providing we can find suitable locations.

Knee jerk reacting western governments will achieve next to nothing but tax us to death in the process.

Also, it would be bad enough if your EV runs out of juice on a country lane but just imagine the danger if it does so on one of these killer Smart Motorways.

 

[Notanumber]

What makes you think that there is not a similar one for IC autos? You are trying to say there would be a significant difference when there does not appear to be one.

We already have the infrastructure for ICE vehicles.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We already have the infrastructure for ICE vehicles.

It is always changing. It is always part of the cost.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nuclear energy in tandem with quick reacting gas power stations is the only way that we stand a chance of powering all these proposed EV’s.

BTW, I have been in favour of tidal power for a long time but your David Attenborough types are against that and nuclear energy.

Reservoir hydro-generator systems to store potential energy working in tandem with tidal power is worth investigating providing we can find suitable locations.

Knee jerk reacting western governments will achieve next to nothing but tax us to death in the process.

Also, it would be bad enough if your EV runs out of juice on a country lane but just imagine the danger if it does so on one of these killer Smart Motorways.

Reservoir hydro works fine with solar and wind too.

And an EV is just as likely to run out of juice as an ICE.

But on a note of agreement, nuclear is arguably the safest greenest power source that we have today.

 

[oldbadger]

Nuclear energy in tandem with quick reacting gas power stations is the only way that we stand a chance of powering all these proposed EV’s.

BTW, I have been in favour of tidal power for a long time but your David Attenborough types are against that and nuclear energy.

Reservoir hydro-generator systems to store potential energy working in tandem with tidal power is worth investigating providing we can find suitable locations.

Knee jerk reacting western governments will achieve next to nothing but tax us to death in the process.

Also, it would be bad enough if your EV runs out of juice on a country lane but just imagine the danger if it does so on one of these killer Smart Motorways.

We don't want to burn gas

I don't know about nuclear....

Yes, although I like tidal generators naturalists don't because of trout and salmon runs, I expect.

People run öut of traction on busy motorways all the time! But EVs won't run out of power suddenly, they have early warnings, so that's a poor point.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We don't want to burn gas

I don't know about nuclear....

Yes, although I like tidal generators naturalists don't because of trout and salmon runs, I expect.

People run öut of traction on busy motorways all the time! But EVs won't run out of power suddenly, they have early warnings, so that's a poor point.

From my understanding there have been various proposed methods for tidal extraction but nothing that produces much in the way of results. The problem is that there is a lot of energy in tides, but it is very diffuse energy. To be useful there needs to be a way to concentrate that energy. There are not very many "Bays of Fundy" in the world.

 

[Notanumber]

But EVs won't run out of power suddenly, they have early warnings, so that's a poor point.

It is one of the reasons why there is only about a 2% uptake in the UK apart from the cost of ownership.

 

[Notanumber]

From my understanding there have been various proposed methods for tidal extraction but nothing that produces much in the way of results. The problem is that there is a lot of energy in tides, but it is very diffuse energy. To be useful there needs to be a way to concentrate that energy. There are not very many "Bays of Fundy" in the world.

Tides are reliable, unlike solar and wind.

 

[oldbadger]

From my understanding there have been various proposed methods for tidal extraction but nothing that produces much in the way of results. The problem is that there is a lot of energy in tides, but it is very diffuse energy. To be useful there needs to be a way to concentrate that energy. There are not very many "Bays of Fundy" in the world.

We've got some 6 and 8 knot tides on some parts of the country, but if estuaries are crossed with sea walls carrying roads for faster travel connections then tide rises of between 16 and 18 feet can be controlled to power enormous generators. There just needs to be a good enough reason to lay such walls, but the Thames estuary and Severn estuary are possible locations.

PM Johnson wanted a Thames estuary airport and there is a remote chance for developing there now

 

[oldbadger]

It is one of the reasons why there is only about a 2% uptake in the UK apart from the cost of ownership.

Listed range, higher insurance premiums, initial costs, battery leasing and higher security risk are all factors in the slow start, but EVs are a sure fire future transport certainty, and they are gaining popularity.
If you need to travel 70 mile + journeys they are not for you yet, but ranges are increasing, speeds don't need to and if you want to cross cities then you'll need to change your plans soon.
I would buy an EV car but we use my wife's off roader on our rough roads and I have an electric bike which is brilliant, so I will leave it for now.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Tides are reliable, unlike solar and wind.

Solar is far more reliable. We know that the Sun will shine. And that it will do so in harvestable quantities. The same applies to the wind. The wind will blow. And in harvestable quantities. And as I said there are effective ways to store excess for when it is needed. Tides on the other hand only occur at shorelines. That immediately limits their use. And no one has designed a method of harvesting a significant amount of tidal energy yet. It is not a matter of opposition to tide energy, it is a matter of no one finding a practical method yet. Sea water is much more harsh on machinery, one cannot block seaways for transport. One has to be aware of the environment. There are far more drawbacks to harvesting the tides. It may be possible, but no one has come up with a method yet.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We've got some 6 and 8 knot tides on some parts of the country, but if estuaries are crossed with sea walls carrying roads for faster travel connections then tide rises of between 16 and 18 feet can be controlled to power enormous generators. There just needs to be a good enough reason to lay such walls, but the Thames estuary and Severn estuary are possible locations.

PM Johnson wanted a Thames estuary airport and there is a remote chance for developing there now

And those are possibilities. But again, sea water is rather corrosive. And one has to worry about the environment from those dams. I am not against it, but I think that there are other working solutions right now.

And I am still a big fan of nuclear. Much less environmental harm than other methods. One merely has to get over the fear of radioactive waste. At least in the U.S. there are geologically stable areas away from water tables where they could be safely stored indefinitely.

 

[oldbadger]

And those are possibilities. But again, sea water is rather corrosive. And one has to worry about the environment from those dams. I am not against it, but I think that there are other working solutions right now.

And I am still a big fan of nuclear. Much less environmental harm than other methods. One merely has to get over the fear of radioactive waste. At least in the U.S. there are geologically stable areas away from water tables where they could be safely stored indefinitely.

Are there Solar Voltaic 'farms' where you are? There is one about 1 mile from our home...... it is about 1000 meters square. I don't know how productive they are, though.

EDIT: Solar Farms are springing up all over the place.
I will send a link to you in the next post.

 

[oldbadger]

@Subduction Zone
If you click on this link, then it should take you to our local site.
Google Maps

 

[Notanumber]

Carbon taxes are not popular.

 

[metis]

No tax is "popular", but many bite their lip and do what needs to be done.

 

[Notanumber]

The UK’s state funded propaganda machine has decided to employ Greta much to the disgust of the taxpayer.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...e-fee-latest-bbc-news-climate-change-activist

They will be employing Extinction Rebellion next.

 

[Notanumber]

This is what we are up against.

Nick Ferrari takes on Extinction Rebellion for digging up garden outside Home Office - LBC

 

[tas8831]

Debunking the "Simple Physics" Slogan About Climate Change : climateskeptics

or is time she went back to school?

How did you verify the claims made in that video?

 

[tas8831]

You can tell when a video is making some good points when YouTube finds it necessary to put a banner to global warming propaganda underneath it.

So you are not aware of how Youtube operates.

When I watch, say, a Youtube video by the Young Turks, I almost always see ads for right-wing channels and such. My 'suggested' videos, despite the fact that I have never watched, say, a 'Tim Pool' video, include Tim Pool (who, having seen him in action on the Joe Rogan channel, comes across like what he is - a high school drop out whose mommy told him one too many times that he was special).
Point is, no conspiracy, so give it a rest.

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Water vapour has a greater effect than CO2. Are they going to tax water vapour?

Yes, that is true about water vapor.
Does your special video indicate that water vapor levels have gone up?

Anyone that does not agree with the consensus is lucky to keep his or her job never mind receive a Nobel Prize.

Right, the contrarian conspiracy.... I understand that mathematicians that do not accept the Pythagorean theorem also have a hard time getting tenure-track positions and grants.

Fortunately, this does not deter those with a conscience.

Right. This conscience - isn't it odd how it seems to coincide with the desires of the fossil fuel industry and the pro-status-quo types? Just a coincidence, I guess.

Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant.

It is in the right concentrations.

Was it high levels of carbon dioxide that brought the earth out of the mini ice age?

If so, was that manmade?

Golly, you got the climate science community there. Guess nobody ever considered any of that - well, except for those mavericks like Milloy.... Who just so happens to work for the AEI and has admitted that he is pro-fossil fuels...