Has the atheist movement helped facilitate the rise of Islam?

[paarsurrey]

The constant debates and debuking of Christianity by the atheist movement has considerable weakened the faith, especially in the West. But in this religious vacuum, Islam has come to rise. Atheists for the most part don't tackle Islam intellectually because it goes against their liberal fears of spreading Islamophobia.

Even on the debate forums here very few atheists will debate muslims, with the exception of a few, while many atheists will debate even topics like consciousness with vigor.

This has led to pretty bad consequences:

1) There are thousands of jihadists from the West, many from good homes and good educations who have gone to fight in the Middle East and will bring back their fanaticism and PTSD
2) There are billions of dollars poured into spreading Islam in the West from the Middle East oil states
3) Religious superiority reigns supreme in the Muslim world amongst the vast majority of Muslims who view the Quran as the literal and final word of God
4) Islamic population continues to rise in Europe while secular and Christian populations continue to fall

While some people can argue that the Republicans have many Christian fundamentalists, their wars have been obviously about greed and resource acquisition and very little to do with the crusades.

I believe Islam should be tackled with the same fervour that atheists use to tackle Christianity, Judaism and other faiths, that it is the literal word of God. That is an incredibly dangerous concept, more dangerous than what any other religion preaches.

What is the Zoroastrians role in this whole phenomena? Please

Regards

 

[Revoltingest]

Atheism doesn't criticize Islam? Surely you have heard of Richard Dawkins. Bill Maher? George Carlin?

An important distinction: They don't speak for atheism or other atheists.
We have no shared doctrine (other than disbelief in gods), so opinions
among us about Islam will vary. I do see a trend though...we tend to
distrust all religions, especially those which are more authoritarian &
with a history of oppression & violence.
Note: I wish Bill Maher would stop speaking entirely.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

links?

For which statement?

 

[Iti oj]

I attack Christians more cause it's more relevant to my daily life.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

An important distinction: They don't speak for atheism or other atheists.
We have no shared doctrine (other than disbelief in gods), so opinions
among us about Islam will vary. I do see a trend though...we tend to
distrust all religions, especially those which are more authoritarian &
with a history of oppression & violence.
Note: I wish Bill Maher would stop speaking entirely.

I love Bill. He's usually pretty spot on when it comes to criticism of religion and politics. I just wish he'd spread some of that criticism over to the dems as much as he does the repubs. Considering both parties are what's wrong with this country.

 

[Tiapan]

Athiesm is enlightment, so of course there will be a challenge from antiquated illogical theologies.

Cheers

 

[Revoltingest]

I love Bill. He's usually pretty spot on when it comes to criticism of religion and politics. I just wish he'd spread some of that criticism over to the dems as much as he does the repubs. Considering both parties are what's wrong with this country.

I just find him annoying.
But he was good as a game show host on "Married With Children".

 

[icehorse]

For which statement?

Hey FA,

All the "MORE x than y" claims.

I'm not disagreeing, I've just never heard those claims before.

 

[outhouse]

An important distinction: They don't speak for atheism or other atheists.
We have no shared doctrine (other than disbelief in gods), so opinions
among us about Islam will vary. I do see a trend though...we tend to
distrust all religions, especially those which are more authoritarian &
with a history of oppression & violence.
Note: I wish Bill Maher would stop speaking entirely.

Atheist as a rule have a longer track record of viewing reality.

And can see those who have deviated from said path.


But they are still people and prone to stupidity and ignorance the same as anyone else.

 

[paarsurrey]

Has the atheist movement helped facilitate the rise of Islam?

It has.

The predominant religion in the West was Christianity which has mythical creeds. With the the enlightenment movement starting in in the West, its easiest prey was Christianity.

Quran is not mythical. Quran gives simple and understandable teachings, easy to understand and easy to act upon. It provides rational reasons for everything so Islam is spreading fast in the world.

Regards

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

Quran is not mythical.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Quran is not mythical. Quran gives simple and understandable teachings, easy to understand and easy to act upon. It provides rational reasons for everything so Islam is spreading fast in the world.

Alternatively...

The birthrate in predominantly Islamic countries is disproportionately high. Education levels are disproportionately low. These factors promote the spread of Islam throughout the world.

I mean, since when has 'easy to understand and easy to act upon' been a recipe for positive and rational behaviour?

 

[YmirGF]

Has the atheist movement helped facilitate the rise of Islam?

It has.

The predominant religion in the West was Christianity which has mythical creeds. With the the enlightenment movement starting in in the West, its easiest prey was Christianity.

Quran is not mythical. Quran gives simple and understandable teachings, easy to understand and easy to act upon. It provides rational reasons for everything so Islam is spreading fast in the world.

Regards

If that is the case why do you and so many Muslims rely on utterly irrational arguments to make your points, paarsurrey?

In regards to the OP, I agree that the use of the word atheist is incorrect here and that liberal/left wing would have been more appropriate, however there have also been a number of embarrassing comments made by thinkers on the political right, like John McCain, that display an utter ignorance of all things Islam. That, in essence, is the real problem - ignorance of Islam. It is simply not "good news" for non-Muslims, of any stripe, and the sooner people understand that, the better.

 

[Revoltingest]

Atheist as a rule have a longer track record of viewing reality.
And can see those who have deviated from said path.

But they are still people and prone to stupidity and ignorance the same as anyone else.

Don't think I didn't notice you looking in my direction
with a smirk on your face when you posted that, bub!

 

[Yerda]

The constant debates and debuking of Christianity by the atheist movement has considerable weakened the faith, especially in the West.

In what way?

But in this religious vacuum, Islam has come to rise.

In what way?

 

[paarsurrey]

If that is the case why do you and so many Muslims rely on utterly irrational arguments to make your points, paarsurrey?

In regards to the OP, I agree that the use of the word atheist is incorrect here and that liberal/left wing would have been more appropriate, however there have also been a number of embarrassing comments made by thinkers on the political right, like John McCain, that display an utter ignorance of all things Islam. That, in essence, is the real problem - ignorance of Islam. It is simply not "good news" for non-Muslims, of any stripe, and the sooner people understand that, the better.

Please give just one example from me.

Regards

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

Please give just one example from me.

Regards

"The Quran is the infallible word of Allah, because the Quran says that it is the infallible word of Allah, and since the Quran is the infallible word of Allah, it cannot be wrong in saying that it is the infallible word of Allah."

The same argument that fundies from all religions use.

 

[paarsurrey]

"The Quran is the infallible word of Allah, because the Quran says that it is the infallible word of Allah, and since the Quran is the infallible word of Allah, it cannot be wrong in saying that it is the infallible word of Allah."

The same argument that fundies from all religions use.

I never said that.

Did I? If yes, please quote from me.

Regards

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

I never said that.

Did I? If yes, please quote from me.

Regards

You asked for one example of irrational arguments that Muslims use... this is an irrational argument that Muslims use.

 

[YmirGF]

Please give just one example from me.

Regards

Just one?

Quran is not mythical. Quran gives simple and understandable teachings, easy to understand and easy to act upon. It provides rational reasons for everything so Islam is spreading fast in the world.

It doesn't get much richer than this assertion, Paarsurrey.