Hatred of Christianity!

[MysticSang'ha]

Interesting. Is it ok for me to hate non-Christians then b/c they infect my government with their secular views, my kids school, my lifestyle, my world view, my friends, my family, my neighborhood.....

You do know Christianity is not the only view that effects other people. If you vote for an issue in the society we BOTH live in, then you are "infecting" my world too with your hatred, worldly ways, etc.

Just to make the record clear, I don't hate you or any non-Christian, despite how hard they try to mold the world I and my family live in to their world view. I was merely pointing out how this could go both ways, but is not a good reason to HATE others.

No hate. Just saying that I can turn on the TV and find at least a dozen Christian channels speaking much of the same message...

I can search the airwaves in my car and get a number of Christian
stations preaching or playing Christian music singing much of the same message...

I can drive my car and my kids will see church after church with signs and
billboards preaching much of the same message..

"Jesus is love. Repent or burn."

It's a free country. Go ahead and sing it out as much as you want. But the
minute any organized political movement seeks to tell me that I am not fit to hold a job based on my gender, my belief, or my orientation...I will push back.

Hard.

And I do hope that message infects that particular Christian community's mindset....

"You can keep your Jesus. Just stay off my lawn."

 

[pwfaith]

No hate. Just saying that I can turn on the TV and find at least a dozen Christian channels speaking much of the same message...

And I can find 100s of non-Christian channels speaking the "message" of worldly views

I can search the airwaves in my car and get a number of Christian
stations preaching or playing Christian music singing much of the same message...

How many radio stations are there that are non-Christian - promoting lust, hate, violence, greed, etc.?

I can drive my car and my kids will see church after church with signs and
billboards preaching much of the same message..

I can drive in my car and my kids will see bumper stickers mocking their faith, promoting values that are far in opposition to our own, billboards advertising strip clubs, poster of half naked women, glorifying these things.

"Jesus is love. Repent or burn."

Bumper sticker I saw recently: "I've nothing against God, it's his fan club I can't stand" or "Godless America" or "Coexist" or signs/commercials/etc with crude language.

My point is only that all these things can be said about both sides of the fence. We and our families are constantly exposed to things that are not in line with our personal world views or what we teach our children. None of it is a valid reason to hate someone else. I'm willing to bet we are subject to non-Christian or worldly views far more than most people are subject to Christian values/views (of course it can depend on where one lives as well, as some areas of the country are more heavily Christian than others. In our area we have 2 Christian radio stations - one hardly comes in though, 1 country station and the rest are either rock, rap, oldies or talk radio. 2 out of 100 isn't that much. I've never lived in a city where the Christian stations out numbered the secular ones. Scanning through radio stations we are far more likely to come across objectionable material, than a non-Christian likely would.

 

[krsnaraja]

No hate. Just saying that I can turn on the TV and find at least a dozen Christian channels speaking much of the same message...

I can search the airwaves in my car and get a number of Christian
stations preaching or playing Christian music singing much of the same message...

I can drive my car and my kids will see church after church with signs and
billboards preaching much of the same message..

"Jesus is love. Repent or burn."

It's a free country. Go ahead and sing it out as much as you want. But the
minute any organized political movement seeks to tell me that I am not fit to hold a job based on my gender, my belief, or my orientation...I will push back.

Hard.

And I do hope that message infects that particular Christian community's mindset....

"You can keep your Jesus. Just stay off my lawn."

Are you practicing Kriya yoga? Are you a follower of Paramahansa Yogananda? Are you a devotee of Mahavatar Babaji? Are you a member of SRF?

 

[fallingblood]

linwood is simply not tolerating intolerance
almost 80% of americans call them selves christian
basically christianity has no identity...it is entirely subjected to peoples world view...and that doesn't help it's original cause as far as i am concerned.

But he is helping the spread of intolerance.

I am all for stopping intolerance that some Christians participate in; however, it is not possible to stop intolerance by spreading even more intolerance.

 

[839311]

or "Coexist"

I like that one.

 

[linwood]

Interesting. Is it ok for me to hate non-Christians then b/c they infect my government with their secular views, my kids school, my lifestyle, my world view, my friends, my family, my neighborhood.....

Sure, you can hate whoever you want BECAUSE THIS IS a secular country.
If it truly were a Christian country you`d have to hide any hatred you held that didn`t jibe with Christianity`s prescribed hatreds.

You do know Christianity is not the only view that effects other people. If you vote for an issue in the society we BOTH live in, then you are "infecting" my world too with your hatred, worldly ways, etc.

Not at all, my secular way of life tolerates any and all beliefs whether they jibe with mine or not.
That`s what the term "secular" means.

Just to make the record clear, I don't hate you or any non-Christian, despite how hard they try to mold the world I and my family live in to their world view. I was merely pointing out how this could go both ways, but is not a good reason to HATE others.

I don`t hate you either, nor have I stated that I hate anyone.
I do despise dogmatic ideologies that seek to make "others" and turn those others into second class citizens.

This is what the bulk of Christianity does and as I`ve already stated the only argument against my point is "The no true Christian argument" which we all know is a fallacy.

Please tell me how secularism "tries to mold" your worldview.
I have yet to hear a theist actually objectively describe this phenomenon yet they often espouse it.

 

[linwood]

But he is helping the spread of intolerance.

I am all for stopping intolerance that some Christians participate in; however, it is not possible to stop intolerance by spreading even more intolerance.

I`ve stated nothing that would promote intolerance.

The fact that I refuse to be silent about an obvious intolerant ideology while voicing my disrespect of it isn`t intolerant.

Intolerance would be calling for it`s destruction.

I "tolerate" Christianity very well thank you.



The irony of a Christian defending Christianity through the claim of "intolerance" isn`t lost on me.

It`s quite hysterical.

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[fallingblood]

I`ve stated nothing that would promote intolerance.

The fact that I refuse to be silent about an obvious intolerant ideology while voicing my disrespect of it isn`t intolerant.

Intolerance would be calling for it`s destruction.

I "tolerate" Christianity very well thank you.


The irony of a Christian defending Christianity through the claim of "intolerance" isn`t lost on me.

It`s quite hysterical.

Thanks for the laugh.

1.
lack of toleration; unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect contrary opinions or beliefs, persons of different races or backgrounds, etc.

You do show a refusal to respect contrary opinions. More so, your definition of intolerance is horrible in the first place (as is your definition of secular, but that is a different matter).

More so, you fail or actually refuse to accept the idea that not all Christians are the same. Your insistence of offering such sweeping generalizations about Christians shows this to be true.

 

[waitasec]

But he is helping the spread of intolerance.

but what he said was true.

am all for stopping intolerance that some Christians participate in; however, it is not possible to stop intolerance by spreading even more intolerance.

if the intolerance is supported by fact...then maybe it's a wrong word to use...

 

[MysticSang'ha]

How many Christians - in this country at least - hear from Muslims that America should be an Islamic country? And that they will make this an Islamic country by force if they have to?

How many Christians hear from Buddhists a similar message?

From Pagans?

From Atheists?

I'm not talking about feelings here...if one takes issue with not being the favorite kid in the family I suggest learning how to take rejection better ...I'm talking about cultural and political movements to make a single religion the dominant religion in the country through psychological methods of shame, guilt, and in some cases physical threats.

How many Christians hear "hate the sin, not the sinner" directed at them for being a Christian when justifying discrimination in economics and politics?

Sooo...."COEXIST" is threatening to a Christian? And is considered hateful?

Serious?

Like I'd said...I've been on both sides of the fence. I can easily tell you where most of the threats have come from. I'm a Buddhist bisexual polyamorous woman who defends your right to marry who you want, raise your children Biblically, decorate your homes, parochial schools, say "Merry Christmas", and put signs up that threaten people like me with eternal torture.

I'm defending your right to sing it loud.

I'm defending you.

As a non-Christian, I'm demanding the same from you as a fellow citizen. There is no hate. But there is insistence on legal recognition.

 

[fallingblood]

but what he said was true.

Not really. It was a sweeping generalization that is becoming less and less true for Christians in general.

if the intolerance is supported by fact...then maybe it's a wrong word to use...

It isn't supported by fact though. I think too many people over look the good that Christians have done and only focus on the bad that some Christians do. That really isn't fair, especially when it is a minority of Christians that are doing these bad things.

 

[fallingblood]

Sooo...."COEXIST" is threatening to a Christian? And is considered hateful?

Serious?

I was confused by that one as well.

 

[pwfaith]

Sooo...."COEXIST" is threatening to a Christian? And is considered hateful?

Serious?

You clearly missed my point. No where did I say it was threatening to Christians. My point was everyone is exposed to things that are against or in contradiction to their own world view, constantly. I just don't see one being more special than the other and therefore being able to justify their hatred b/c of it.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Why do so many people want to point the finger at Christianity for the evil done in its name instead of pointing the finger at the human heart?

I don't blame Christianity for making people do bad things, just for allowing them to feel self-righteous and justified when doing certain bad things. When you think you're doing things in the "name of god," you don't have to worry about being personally responsible for your actions, words, and attitudes.

 

[Shermana]

My hatred of what is often referred to "Christianity" even though its not remotely close to what Christ actually taught, is because it's not remotely close to what Christ actually taught. This in turn, gives Yashua's Christhood a bogus name, filled with spurious and unscriptural beliefs, but most importantly, the acceptance (and misinterpretations/contradictory beliefs) of Paul, which basically is used to trump what Yashua actually taught. These "faiths" often try their best to undo "works" from the equation which ultimately leads to most modern "Christians" having a willingness to commit sin with clear conscience thinking they are saved anyway. They usually don't even understand the prophecies regarding the New covenant and the Guilt Offering, such as in Jeremiah, how the remnant will have the Law placed in their hearts.

But most of all, the unwillingness of most of the followers to examine the beliefs, the leaders who cling to the post-Lutheran Doctrines and try to shut out any discussion that questions them (as well as Pre-Luther "orthodox" doctrines) aren't nearly to blame since they're just catering to their market, but their congregants are the ones who like the message so much that they pay them for it.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

You clearly missed my point. No where did I say it was threatening to Christians. My point was everyone is exposed to things that are against or in contradiction to their own world view, constantly. I just don't see one being more special than the other and therefore being able to justify their hatred b/c of it.

Yes. Gotcha. My dear, I agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly.

But I have to reiterate that what most of the vibes Christians get from non-Christians isn't hatred, but frustration, annoyance, and probably some knee-jerk self-defense from hearing what really ARE threatening messages from some pockets of Christianity.

Remember, I'm addressing the OP here with a misunderstanding of how Christians are treated by "The Others."

 

[blackout]

Is Coexistence contrary to the Christian view?

Well, yeah... but SHOULD it be?

 

[waitasec]

You`re kidding right?

I attack Christianity because it attacks me.
It`s just self defense.

Christianity goes out of it`s way to infect my government, my kids schools, my personal sexuality, my lifestyle, my world view, my morality, my friends, my family, my neighborhood.......

I could go on and on and on, suffice to say Christianity gets what it gives and then whines about getting it in return.

Not really. It was a sweeping generalization that is becoming less and less true for Christians in general.

then, it is true...

It isn't supported by fact though. I think too many people over look the good that Christians have done and only focus on the bad that some Christians do. That really isn't fair, especially when it is a minority of Christians that are doing these bad things.

it's just a label.
it is supposed to represent the ideal, but alas it falls short. because people fall short...

 

[Walkntune]

I don't blame Christianity for making people do bad things, just for allowing them to feel self-righteous and justified when doing certain bad things. When you think you're doing things in the "name of god," you don't have to worry about being personally responsible for your actions, words, and attitudes.

Christianity is about admitting you have faults and can therefore find forgiveness and grow in humility instead of seeking to justify.Maybe instead of doing things in the "name of God" to some its about holding themselves accountable to God and this means being willing to look at oneself openly and honestly faults and all.
Of course how one views this is just be a reflection of their own heart.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Christianity is about admitting you have faults and can therefore find forgiveness and grow in humility instead of seeking to justify.

I'm sure that applies to some people.