Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
No, but there is something wrong with cramming it down their throats at knife-point.
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Hatred of Christianity!
- Thread starter Walkntune
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Walkntune
Well-Known Member
Kinda hits a nerve doesn't it?
JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
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Walkntune
Well-Known Member
And my point is is that its not science or religion to blame.
JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
Doesn't let you watch it.
Though my favorite..entertainment, from Hanukkah (except playing dreidel when a kid) is Adam Sandlers Hanukkah song
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Adam Sandler - Hanukkah Song - YouTube
JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
Whats that mean?
I never said he controls you. Just influences you.
Big difference
I have to agree with this. I know of very few doctrines, if any, who say that God controls anyone's thoughts.
JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
There is none in Catholicism.
I think the closest doctrine in any Christian church would be that of Calvinist, which resemble as being controlled in their predestination doctrine.
Walkntune
Well-Known Member
Well actually I believe there is a reason the heart lies slightly on the left side of the body which is controlled by the right brain which is emotional and spiritual but thats speculation as is yours.
Photonic
Ad astra!
I never said he controls you. Just influences you.
Big difference
I am not influenced by something that does not exist.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Most people also have absolutely no notion of just how much they have benefited from religion. Christianity, in the United States, has done quite a bit.
Look at the slave trade. In the United States what fueled the trade was economics (yes, later on some justified it by the Bible, however, that was after the fact, when abolitionists (which many were Christians, and in this particular case, most were) started to criticize slave owners and state that they could not be Christians if they owned slaves. More so, it was not just Christians who participated in the slave trade). It was Christian abolitionists, particularly in England (William Wilberforce for one) who really helped end the slave trade, and eventually slavery.
We can look at many of the missionary movements, and yes, even though there were cases of atrocity, they also helped many many people. Partially because of the schools that they built, which allowed many of the indigenous get the jobs they wanted. In fact, if we look at many of these communities, the indigenous people were happy for the missionaries to be there because of the schools that they also brought.
The missionary movement in general gave rise to more secular philanthropy in itself. It was from more liberal strands of Christianity, that began rethinking what they were doing, that gave rise to the secular philanthropy.
It really goes both ways. Some, in the name of religion, have committed horrible acts. Others have committed extreme good. Some in the name of science have committed horrible acts. Others have committed extreme good.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Really? So we can't use a metaphor that most people understand?
I think it depends on the context and the argument. If I was to make a specific objection to some point of doctrine, then sure, my objection isn't relevant to denominations that don't hold to it.
However, if my argument was, say, that our society would be better if it was less "Christian", then I'm really talking about the overall effect of the religion as a whole, and the nuances between the beliefs of different Christians don't matter as much, because I'm talking about the net effect, not the individual parts.
As an analogy, if I was to argue that air quality would improve if we had fewer cars on the road, the mere fact that you have a special solar-powered car with equipment to actually scrub pollution from the air as it drives doesn't necessarily make my statement false. Especially not if most of the people in town drive around in Hummers.
It almost seems to me that you're arguing that Christianity is irrelevant.
With so many Christians saying that their Christianity is a significant force in their lives, doesn't it make sense to try to figure out whether it's a force for good or bad overall?
Except that the rise of Monsanto was the result of an agricultural revolution that saved a billion lives.
Green Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
While I've got problems with some of Monsanto's practices myself, you can't ignore the benefits that went along with it if you want the whole picture.
Not irrelevant, but more that people do things because they want to not because a religion tells them to. A religion may influence what they do, but in the end, the person makes his or her own decision.
JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
Just because you say it doesn't exist, doesn't mean it can't.
Walkntune
Well-Known Member
It is the mirror that reflects the condition of the human heart.If your ugly you can break the mirror but the ugliness will still be there.At least with a mirror to look into you can see what needs to be changed and religions are the institutions we use to see the reflections.Blaming the mirrir is foolish!
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Christianity is also many faceted and ever evolving, and in the process becoming more objective. More so, Christianity does not claim to have all of the answers.